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<blockquote data-quote="JungleShooter" data-source="post: 3100863" data-attributes="member: 110729"><p><strong>Kernal, </strong></p><p></p><p>the amount of money you can sink into airgunning is surprisingly large — top tier guns <em>of the <strong>PCP</strong> variety</em> going for $2000 and more. </p><p>Add to that the accessories for air supply and you have another $1000 on your bill. </p><p>It's a deep, deep hole. Ask me how I know..... <img class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" alt="😆" title="Grinning squinting face :laughing:" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f606.png" data-shortname=":laughing:" /></p><p></p><p></p><p>However, if you're just looking for a tool to do the job at 25 yards, and move on — then you can do much cheaper. </p><p>A $100 <strong>break barrel</strong> airgun from Beeman, Hatsan, Gamo, Stoeger, Norica, or another brand will do OK. </p><p></p><p>If you want something more consistent and better quality, you can double that, or cuadruple that (for a high end <em>break barrel</em> or<em> side lever</em> from Diana, Weihrauch, or AirArms). </p><p></p><p>Here is a link to one of the big online sellers: </p><p>[URL unfurl="true"]https://www.pyramydair.com/air-guns/rifles/spring-piston-rifles?sort=asc[/URL]</p><p>They also happen to give you most of the specs of the guns.</p><p></p><p></p><p><strong><img class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" alt="🔶" title="Large orange diamond :large_orange_diamond:" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f536.png" data-shortname=":large_orange_diamond:" /> Using Scopes on Springers:</strong></p><p><img class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" alt="⚠️" title="Warning :warning:" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/26a0.png" data-shortname=":warning:" /> Note that spring airguns (steel springs, or gas piston springs) have a double recoil (back <em>and </em>forth) that is very harsh on scopes. </p><p>Scopes therefore must be certified for spring airguns — and a magnum springer might still break it eventually. ➧ Moral is to only put scopes on a springer that have a good warranty. </p><p></p><p></p><p><strong><img class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" alt="🔶" title="Large orange diamond :large_orange_diamond:" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f536.png" data-shortname=":large_orange_diamond:" /> Caliber:</strong></p><p>.22cal makes bigger holes than .177. </p><p>For a mid- or low-powered spring gun there might be some holdover required, but your ranges of 25y are pretty short. No big deal. </p><p>.177cal pellets are real tiny to handle with big fingers.....</p><p></p><p></p><p><strong><img class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" alt="🔶" title="Large orange diamond :large_orange_diamond:" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f536.png" data-shortname=":large_orange_diamond:" /> Pellets: </strong></p><p>Every barrel is different, so you'll have to find the pellet(s) that <em>your </em>particular gun likes.</p><p>However, at ranges of only 25y on somewhat large targets (pigeons) thi shouldn't be too difficult. </p><p></p><p>Recommended pellet shapes are <strong>round heads (domes)</strong> (best BC, and suitable for stronger guns). </p><p><strong>Hollow points</strong> will only expand in the lil'birdies if they impact at very high velocities — which is negated by their low BC. </p><p><strong>Wadcutters</strong> make good holes, but most wadcutters are light weight — and if you have a magnum power springer they might loose precision (close to the speed of sound!). The heaviest wadcutter is the JTS Dead Center wadcutter at 18.8gr — which won't run the danger of going too fast.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Happy pigeon killing! It is well worth your time and money to clean the earth of those rats with wings! <img class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" alt="😆" title="Grinning squinting face :laughing:" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f606.png" data-shortname=":laughing:" /></p><p></p><p>Matthias</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="JungleShooter, post: 3100863, member: 110729"] [B]Kernal, [/B] the amount of money you can sink into airgunning is surprisingly large — top tier guns [I]of the [B]PCP[/B] variety[/I] going for $2000 and more. Add to that the accessories for air supply and you have another $1000 on your bill. It's a deep, deep hole. Ask me how I know..... 😆 However, if you're just looking for a tool to do the job at 25 yards, and move on — then you can do much cheaper. A $100 [B]break barrel[/B] airgun from Beeman, Hatsan, Gamo, Stoeger, Norica, or another brand will do OK. If you want something more consistent and better quality, you can double that, or cuadruple that (for a high end [I]break barrel[/I] or[I] side lever[/I] from Diana, Weihrauch, or AirArms). Here is a link to one of the big online sellers: [URL unfurl="true"]https://www.pyramydair.com/air-guns/rifles/spring-piston-rifles?sort=asc[/URL] They also happen to give you most of the specs of the guns. [B]🔶 Using Scopes on Springers:[/B] ⚠️ Note that spring airguns (steel springs, or gas piston springs) have a double recoil (back [I]and [/I]forth) that is very harsh on scopes. Scopes therefore must be certified for spring airguns — and a magnum springer might still break it eventually. ➧ Moral is to only put scopes on a springer that have a good warranty. [B]🔶 Caliber:[/B] .22cal makes bigger holes than .177. For a mid- or low-powered spring gun there might be some holdover required, but your ranges of 25y are pretty short. No big deal. .177cal pellets are real tiny to handle with big fingers..... [B]🔶 Pellets: [/B] Every barrel is different, so you'll have to find the pellet(s) that [I]your [/I]particular gun likes. However, at ranges of only 25y on somewhat large targets (pigeons) thi shouldn't be too difficult. Recommended pellet shapes are [B]round heads (domes)[/B] (best BC, and suitable for stronger guns). [B]Hollow points[/B] will only expand in the lil'birdies if they impact at very high velocities — which is negated by their low BC. [B]Wadcutters[/B] make good holes, but most wadcutters are light weight — and if you have a magnum power springer they might loose precision (close to the speed of sound!). The heaviest wadcutter is the JTS Dead Center wadcutter at 18.8gr — which won't run the danger of going too fast. Happy pigeon killing! It is well worth your time and money to clean the earth of those rats with wings! 😆 Matthias [/QUOTE]
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