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<blockquote data-quote="HARPERC" data-source="post: 878307" data-attributes="member: 30671"><p>Strange post Izzy. You state your opinion, and then politely ask not to confuse you with facts or other opinions, and then claim folks with "wisdom and logic"will agree with you. Presumably the rest of us have no experience or knowledge to add to the discussion.</p><p></p><p>1) Wolves are very different than bears. At the very least they're not an impact on deer and elk herds for the months they hibernate.</p><p>2) House dogs routinely run deer to death. This chasing the game around all hunting season-What effect do you think it has on winter mortalities of bucks trying to recover from the stress of the rut, and the does trying to recover from summer lactation?</p><p>3) Rodent control? So let me see if I got this-when wolves pack up in numbers of 6-12 they're organizing to raid prairie dog towns? Actually bigger packs have been noted, and if it gets real harsh combined packs can get much bigger.</p><p>4) Are you telling me that when we see them running in fields of livestock they are just chasing the mice?</p><p>5) The Wedge pack (WA), the Wallowa pack (OR), and a pack in Idaho all make the news as confirmed livestock killers. Did they just run out of mice?</p><p>6) The hounds, guard dogs, and miscellaneous pets they've killed, What is their motivation old wise wolf whisperer?</p><p>7) In terms of waste; Do you suppose humans waste more wolf carcasses, or do wolves waste more in what biologist refer to as "sport reflex kills?</p><p>8) Why are mountain lions starving where the wolves have been moved in?</p><p>9) Check out the video making the rounds of a sow grizzly with cubs doing battle with a boar, and wolves over a kill. How desperate is she? Why is she this this desperate?</p><p>10) Human bear conflicts are up. A starving sow and cubs killed and ate a camper last year, reminiscent of the post dump closure years. Is it your belief that the elk herd being reduced from about 19,000 animals to under 4,000 by wolves plays no part in this dynamic?</p><p>Lots of threads on this, and generally it would be better manners to start your own thread rather than hijack someone else's.</p><p>My apologies to the to the OP for this turn of conversation. I, for one congratulate those able to add this trophy to their list.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="HARPERC, post: 878307, member: 30671"] Strange post Izzy. You state your opinion, and then politely ask not to confuse you with facts or other opinions, and then claim folks with "wisdom and logic"will agree with you. Presumably the rest of us have no experience or knowledge to add to the discussion. 1) Wolves are very different than bears. At the very least they're not an impact on deer and elk herds for the months they hibernate. 2) House dogs routinely run deer to death. This chasing the game around all hunting season-What effect do you think it has on winter mortalities of bucks trying to recover from the stress of the rut, and the does trying to recover from summer lactation? 3) Rodent control? So let me see if I got this-when wolves pack up in numbers of 6-12 they're organizing to raid prairie dog towns? Actually bigger packs have been noted, and if it gets real harsh combined packs can get much bigger. 4) Are you telling me that when we see them running in fields of livestock they are just chasing the mice? 5) The Wedge pack (WA), the Wallowa pack (OR), and a pack in Idaho all make the news as confirmed livestock killers. Did they just run out of mice? 6) The hounds, guard dogs, and miscellaneous pets they've killed, What is their motivation old wise wolf whisperer? 7) In terms of waste; Do you suppose humans waste more wolf carcasses, or do wolves waste more in what biologist refer to as "sport reflex kills? 8) Why are mountain lions starving where the wolves have been moved in? 9) Check out the video making the rounds of a sow grizzly with cubs doing battle with a boar, and wolves over a kill. How desperate is she? Why is she this this desperate? 10) Human bear conflicts are up. A starving sow and cubs killed and ate a camper last year, reminiscent of the post dump closure years. Is it your belief that the elk herd being reduced from about 19,000 animals to under 4,000 by wolves plays no part in this dynamic? Lots of threads on this, and generally it would be better manners to start your own thread rather than hijack someone else's. My apologies to the to the OP for this turn of conversation. I, for one congratulate those able to add this trophy to their list. [/QUOTE]
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