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<blockquote data-quote="Chris V." data-source="post: 1725138" data-attributes="member: 106319"><p>I too have fallen under the Spell of The Big 7 recently. When I first started hunting my buddy chose a 270 Win and I a 300 Win Mag. Since that time I've used just about every cartridge in search of Eldorado. A 375 H&H flattened plains game in Africa and moose in Canada. A 300 Mag killed a moose in Alberta beyond 400 yards. One favorite the 338 Win Mag thumped a bull elk at 175 yards. Also a treed black bear, a Muskox and Caribou. A few years back my 7 Rem Mag took a high mountain muley over 200 yards and a 270 Win the same on a mountain black tail. I've watched my buddies drop big game with 270s, 06s and 308 Win. I've also seen animals that barely react with well placed shots from all of the above cartridges like a bull moose that took 5 375 H&H 300 NPs to keep him from charging me! (375 H&H is not a stopping rifle in my opinion). Yes bullet designs can change everything. I've rediscovered the 7 Rem Mag again. Why? Because ammo is plentiful, inexpensive. To me a 7 Mag doesn't recoil much at all. (Want real recoil? Shoot my lightweight 416 Rem Mag!) I'm a hunter and out to 450 yards the 7 Mag plain works with the right bullet. Soon I'll experiment with the Norma Oryx and Federal TBT loads in 7MM. I'm willing to step down to a 7 because I pride myself in shot placement and feel OK using the 7 MAG. BUT if you want a reason not to, well I'll be the first to admit that other cartridges provide advantages on big game in a time where hunting is becoming more expensive and difficult/short seasons. Out to 400 yards there is no way the 7 Rem Mag can compete on big animals with the 338 Win Mag. Dead is dead, but the 338 is a more reliable thumper. Shooting 210 and 250 NPs, a 338 takes care of business fast. I guess that's a clear advantage while hunting elk. I once had to shoot a cow elk 3 times with a 7 Mag! I know all the variables but using a 7 Rem Mag on everything is a compromise. So to the OP are you OK with that compromise? I may be at this point, but I'm also playing around with a 9.3X62 Mauser. Sure a 300 yard shot might be stretching things, but I expect the 286 Norma Oryx will flatten an elk out to 200 yards! I'm more of a hunter than LR Sniper (I do have a built 300 RUM). I replied here because recently playing mind games I paired a 7 Rem Mag and a 9.3X62 Mauser for all big game hunting in my home State of Washington. I have 2 Big 7s. One is a semi-custom project and the other a 1965 darkened stainless barreled 700 ADL in wood, that I just picked up for $250! I thought it apropos to shoot a Big 7 in an early factory gun. I floated it and am in the process of bedding and a Timney trigger. The rifle has battle scars, but I like it. The 9.3 is a wood stocked BSA, which I expect to perform like a 338 Mag+ in the timber. I guess in the end I could not just have a Big 7. But would include one in a shooting/hunting Battery. (.223, .243, 7 Rem Mag, 338 Mag/9.3, 416Mag).</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Chris V., post: 1725138, member: 106319"] I too have fallen under the Spell of The Big 7 recently. When I first started hunting my buddy chose a 270 Win and I a 300 Win Mag. Since that time I've used just about every cartridge in search of Eldorado. A 375 H&H flattened plains game in Africa and moose in Canada. A 300 Mag killed a moose in Alberta beyond 400 yards. One favorite the 338 Win Mag thumped a bull elk at 175 yards. Also a treed black bear, a Muskox and Caribou. A few years back my 7 Rem Mag took a high mountain muley over 200 yards and a 270 Win the same on a mountain black tail. I've watched my buddies drop big game with 270s, 06s and 308 Win. I've also seen animals that barely react with well placed shots from all of the above cartridges like a bull moose that took 5 375 H&H 300 NPs to keep him from charging me! (375 H&H is not a stopping rifle in my opinion). Yes bullet designs can change everything. I've rediscovered the 7 Rem Mag again. Why? Because ammo is plentiful, inexpensive. To me a 7 Mag doesn't recoil much at all. (Want real recoil? Shoot my lightweight 416 Rem Mag!) I'm a hunter and out to 450 yards the 7 Mag plain works with the right bullet. Soon I'll experiment with the Norma Oryx and Federal TBT loads in 7MM. I'm willing to step down to a 7 because I pride myself in shot placement and feel OK using the 7 MAG. BUT if you want a reason not to, well I'll be the first to admit that other cartridges provide advantages on big game in a time where hunting is becoming more expensive and difficult/short seasons. Out to 400 yards there is no way the 7 Rem Mag can compete on big animals with the 338 Win Mag. Dead is dead, but the 338 is a more reliable thumper. Shooting 210 and 250 NPs, a 338 takes care of business fast. I guess that's a clear advantage while hunting elk. I once had to shoot a cow elk 3 times with a 7 Mag! I know all the variables but using a 7 Rem Mag on everything is a compromise. So to the OP are you OK with that compromise? I may be at this point, but I'm also playing around with a 9.3X62 Mauser. Sure a 300 yard shot might be stretching things, but I expect the 286 Norma Oryx will flatten an elk out to 200 yards! I'm more of a hunter than LR Sniper (I do have a built 300 RUM). I replied here because recently playing mind games I paired a 7 Rem Mag and a 9.3X62 Mauser for all big game hunting in my home State of Washington. I have 2 Big 7s. One is a semi-custom project and the other a 1965 darkened stainless barreled 700 ADL in wood, that I just picked up for $250! I thought it apropos to shoot a Big 7 in an early factory gun. I floated it and am in the process of bedding and a Timney trigger. The rifle has battle scars, but I like it. The 9.3 is a wood stocked BSA, which I expect to perform like a 338 Mag+ in the timber. I guess in the end I could not just have a Big 7. But would include one in a shooting/hunting Battery. (.223, .243, 7 Rem Mag, 338 Mag/9.3, 416Mag). [/QUOTE]
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