I bought a couple boxes at Cabela's as it was on sale and ended up being cheaper than buying brass that is almost unobtainable in my area it shoots not bad but it is definitely hot primers were flat and I mean flat bolt lift didn't seem real stuff though this was hsm gold with 168 Berger's I also have a couple boxes of hsm with 160 Grand slams and they flatten primers as well ham gold had bertman brass other hsm was rem brass shot out of a rechamber rem 700