horusvision scope

[new shooter]

have any of you used this scope; the Horus Vision scope-falcon 4-16x? I have read a lot about this scope. It has etched in the glass hack marks instead of the military mil-dots reticle. This supposedly means that it never changes 0. Using the Horus TRAG software you are able to shoot out to 3000 yards with precession. I'm wondering if any of you have tried this scope or heard any comments on it? I read where Schmidt and Bender are putting the Horus reticles in their PM22 scope and Leupold LRMI Tactical and US optics Super Long Range are using this also. I would like to get someone's opinion on this. I have read a lot on Night Force 5.5-22x, but you have to turn each distance in the scope individually (for height and wind) and then you have to remember to put it back to where you started; the Horus seems logically more accurate and more simple to use. In their literature they say they have been winning 1000 yard in the US Army sniper team competition in 2003. so you can get the drift of how accurate this scope is suppose to be. There web page is www.horusvision.com if you care to look at it. Looking forward to your input on this scope since I am going to have a long range hunting rifle built, preferable. So I want the best scope to do the job for long range hunting. thanks, New Shooter

 

[uncleB]

new shooter,
I tried to stay away from this post because I know a ****in' match will likely follow,but what the heck. this is JUST MY OPINION stay away from the horus (the reticle is so cluttered among other thing's) get a quality scope that has target turret's then buy a ballistic program (like exbal,Sierra Infinity etc.) chronograph your ammo then learn how to crank your turret's and you will be far better off than having a fluffy reticle.
UB

 

[overbore]

UncleB , you are right. I drive a diesel-you don't most likely; I shoot two Horus scopes, you don't. This does not effect either of our morning coffees. IMHO, the HOrus HAS established, throught numerous repeated Sniper Championships, both individual and team, that if you learn the system, you can hit your targets with a high chance of a lethal hit. Should you miss, the second shot is a "gimme". The Falcon is not, repeat,NOT, a hunting scope for dense timber. The new 1-4x is fast to acquire and gives a great ghost ring advantage for eye alignment-it is good up to 600 yards, is used in Iraq and has illuminated reticle. I plan a third HOrus. Overbore /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif

 

[Shawn Carlock]

NS,

The Horus system has some interesting ideas and some areas of great application, it may not be what you are looking for. If you are looking for long range precision for hunting I highly recommend that you go to the Nightforce 5.5-22x50mm NPR2 or NPR1. You can use the NF reticules much like the Horus out to fast distances say 600 yards and in without touching a knob. After using a couple of Horus vision scopes on long range rifles this is my opinion: they work well if you are at max power out to 800 yards or so, maybe even 1000 yards. Now for work 1000 and beyond I just don't think you can beat the NF. Don't fear knob turning to place a first round hit at distances beyond 1000 I feel that the NF is the hands down winner. 1000 yard + shooting can be done with the Horus I just feel the NF is better at it. I have found the Horus to be a poor low light scope and turning the power down beyond 10x made the ones I tried useless. The 5.5-22 NF on 5x is still a usable scope for closer ranges. Now all of the above is my personel opinion. There is no doubt that comparing the standard Horus scope (not the S&B version )to the Nightforce in terms of quality and durability is no contest at all the NF stands head & shoulders above the Horus. In the end you will be spending alot of money for either, look at the opinions of this board, try to look through and even use both and make your best pick.

 

[overbore]

Shawn is correct as to basic scope quality as the NF wins that discussion every time, excluding S/B, and USO; however, if you have a specialized requirement, read tactical, the H-25 reticle is proven to be a winner. For close range tactical, the H-48 is better than any NF. If it were not so, military would use NF for close tac ops; they don't. For HUNTING, go with the NF but get the correct reticle. IMHO, the moa reticle is the fastest to learn and the easisest to acquire your target as the clicks and the graduations are in the same units; key to keeping your head straight under stress. Overbore /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif

 

[Shawn Carlock]

I am big NF fan no doubt about that. I certainly don't want to start a ****ing match. I would like to point out a few items: The military does in fact use quite a few more NF scopes that Horus, well over 10,000 units in service. A branch of the military solicited Nightforce the develope the 1-4x NXS and the 2-10x NXS both for close to medium range work. The reason it is tough to get ahold of a 1-4 is the filling of military contracts. There are groups of the military that utilize the Horus with good results, but the are at least 10x that number of NF scopes in service mostly with spec ops units. Notes about competition and advertising: Bennie Coolie, Mike Voit and the other top shooters I have shot against will win with what ever equipment they use. If you think that the winning team at match X won the event because of equipment only you are kidding yourself. I won the USPSA precision rifle national this year mostly because I could read and dope the wind better that day. I used a NF 3.5-15 NXS NPR2. I probably could have used a Horus just as well. I choose the NF because of it's quality and ability to do both operations, use the reticule for hold over and repeatable knob dialing. The Horus in the standard version has to rely on the reticule only as I have yet to see one pass a box test. (in all fairlness the Horus was not designed as a knob scope) The Horus ability to rapidly place a second shot depends on conditions: 1. not changing between shots. 2. the ability to spot the first hit or miss, in certain terrain this can be an issue. If you can see the hit hold off for the second shot is just as easly accomplished with the NF NPR reticules without looking through an artilery aiming grid. I feel for the long range hunter, tactician, or general shooter that most are best served by getting a quality knob scope and learning to dope conditions. Like I said before try both if you can before you buy.

 

[uncleB]

I did not mention any scope brands (did not want to get the scope wars fired up again) but in your post you agree'd with Shawn that NF was "better for HUNTING" and that is what new shooter wanted a long range hunting scope. so why get testy with me when in the end you agree with me??? /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif
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[Guest]

I should stay out of this… However, here are my two cents. I know of a sixty + year old man who lives in South Texas and competes at many of the Rifles Only Sniper match's. When it comes to the speed drills; that is shooting from 100 to 1000 yards using holdovers, he uses a Night Force 3.5 – 15 X 50 with I believe the NP-R2 reticle. No one beats him.

A mil-dot reticle is a mil-dot reticle. It can look like a FLY SWATER or an uncluttered mil dot reticle… With Ballistic Targeting Software such as Night Force / Exbal, you can know your holds for your current in the field weather system, and with that information, the Voodoo is history. If your Target is at Six hundred yards, and you are shooting a .300 win mag, then hold on 3.9 mils. 700? Hold on 4.3 mils. Or, do you feel like a little more precision? If you own a NF MLR, with the turret values in .1 mils per click, click up 3 clicks and hold on mil mark 4 for the target at 700. It is Shooting made Simple.

Another thing, this same man was driving home after having a conversation with the President of NF USA. The President of NF USA told him that the NF scopes were practically indestructible. He turned to his friend in the car and said, lets find out. He pulled over, removed the NF scope from his rifle, and pulled back onto the road. Somewhere around 50 MPH (I Believe 50 mph) he tossed the NF NXS out the window. They both watched as the scope tumbled down the road, end over end behind them. When they returned home, the scope was re-mounted onto the weapon and fired. The Zero had not changed and the scope continued to work just as it was suppose to.

I heard this story from the passenger of the vehicle. He is a friend of mine.

 

[new shooter]

I would like to thank each and everyone of you for your comments. You see this is so critical for me because I am going to have my first long range hunting rifle built and I want to be able to choice the right scope for the job the first time. It lookis like I am ging to go with the Night Forse5.5x22x50 or 5.5x22x56? So thanks a million guys. I love this forum! Ihave learned so much this last year and half. Now I am going to the "long range hunting" equipment

 

[highlanderll]

Evening All

I believe the general is right, my own personal use of the NF 3.5 X 15 50, has been very limited but. A Marine Sniper I kick around with has his on a 338 edge, we ran around all day on wheelers busting alders moose hunting here in Alaska. The rifle rode in the caring straps on the front rack all day. I think we put on 68 miles that day, at days end Larry was giving Bass a hard time about hitting a rock about 600 yds up the side of a mountain at about 40 degrees. Bass blasted the thing twice. The only thing we did to the rifle before we shot was pull the bolt to make sure their was no twigs in it.

Brian Anchorage, Alaska

 

[Guest]

Easy does it McCall, Thank you for the compliment however, I am Not a General... I am Not a General... I am Not A General... I Was an E Nothing once upon a time though... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif