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<blockquote data-quote="BryanLitz" data-source="post: 1133686" data-attributes="member: 7848"><p>Bullseye,</p><p></p><p>You make some good points. I'm not trying to invalidate Hornady's work with a bic lighter, but some of their explanations are difficult to accept in light of some common sense observations. </p><p></p><p>Bic lighters aside, Amax bullets and other tipped bullets have been flying well at long range for many years. By <em>flying well</em> I mean:</p><p>Flying with BC's that are consistent with the shape of non-deformed tips, and</p><p>Flying with trajectories that are predictable with these BC's.</p><p></p><p>All of a sudden, a discovery is claimed which suggests that trajectories are not predictable, and BC's are lower than they should be, which goes against years of direct observation by many shooters and my own measurements. </p><p></p><p>In order to accept the claim of 'melting tips' as reality, we have to:</p><p>A) accept that the testing and doppler radar data that Hornady is presenting is accurate (free of excessive measurement error). This is the part that is actually contrary to common observation. </p><p>B) accept that the melting tip theory explains <em>why</em> the data indicates performance that's different from what we know it to be.</p><p></p><p>I've been measuring BC's for bullets for many years. Plastic tipped bullets of all calibers have very uniform BC's, which are consistent with the mass, caliber and un-deformed shape of the bullet. For me personally, it will take more evidence to believe this data, and the conclusions being drawn from it.</p><p></p><p>To be clear, I'm not saying they're wrong, but there are good questions to ask.</p><p></p><p>-Bryan</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="BryanLitz, post: 1133686, member: 7848"] Bullseye, You make some good points. I'm not trying to invalidate Hornady's work with a bic lighter, but some of their explanations are difficult to accept in light of some common sense observations. Bic lighters aside, Amax bullets and other tipped bullets have been flying well at long range for many years. By [i]flying well[/i] I mean: Flying with BC's that are consistent with the shape of non-deformed tips, and Flying with trajectories that are predictable with these BC's. All of a sudden, a discovery is claimed which suggests that trajectories are not predictable, and BC's are lower than they should be, which goes against years of direct observation by many shooters and my own measurements. In order to accept the claim of 'melting tips' as reality, we have to: A) accept that the testing and doppler radar data that Hornady is presenting is accurate (free of excessive measurement error). This is the part that is actually contrary to common observation. B) accept that the melting tip theory explains [i]why[/i] the data indicates performance that's different from what we know it to be. I've been measuring BC's for bullets for many years. Plastic tipped bullets of all calibers have very uniform BC's, which are consistent with the mass, caliber and un-deformed shape of the bullet. For me personally, it will take more evidence to believe this data, and the conclusions being drawn from it. To be clear, I'm not saying they're wrong, but there are good questions to ask. -Bryan [/QUOTE]
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