Hammer bullets barrel life

[NorthRiverGuide]

Passions tend to run high at times. I think it's fair to question things. Jumping to conclusions can get messy, on either side of things.

It's a lot of subjectiveness and matter of perspective. You questioned him, and now you get questioned. People need to just keep calm and civil about it, and allow the questions to be answered. That said, I don't agree with snide remarks laced in with the questions, as it only makes the situation worse.

I've definitely had my own experiences discussing Hammer bullets on this forum and for whatever reason it gets messy quick a lot of times, even if you're just trying to have a civil discussion about certain things. It's a touchy subject, for sure. Since you're new here, I will warn you about that lol. I learned the hard way. I continue to try to to better about it though. I have nothing against mono bullets or Hammers in particular. I have my own personal preferences based on my experience and I just try to share that here from time to time. Sometimes that gets seen as bias, apparently

Either way, I feel like I rambling. Good luck on your quest regarding your original question in this thread, and good luck on your hunts this year, whatever bullets you use!

I noticed lol thanks I'm hoping to get a few animals down this year. Good luck yourself hopefully you are successful as well

 

[orkan]

That's a lot of blown up critter's. Where are you seeing that many of them?

There's at least 5,000 more in that town.

Given the responses here by a couple of guys I'm seriously starting to consider going with another company though.

So you're going to punish a company because of how some un-affiliated people are acting? Seems a strange way for the world to work... don't you think?

The fact that you're basing your decision of what to use on what you see on these forums in the first place, tells me you should probably reevaluate your strategy. You may not see how the tone of your posts sound, but no one owes anyone anything here. When a person really wants to know something, the laws of the universe dictate they must become invested in finding out the truth. That means you spend effort, time, and money. It takes work to know the truth. Certainly more work than just asking other people.

Seeing the claims about Hammers here over the last few years, I wanted to know. So, I started shooting some hammers, and I'm going to continue shooting critters with them, until I know. I didn't start posting on the internet about them demanding someone prove it to me. No one can do that for me. I have to do it for myself. That's the only reason anything I say has value to anyone, ever. I always do the work needed. I invest my skillset until I know. I just started on hammers a couple months ago. I don't know squat about them... but that will change with time and effort. What I have seen so far, has been impressive.

So you probably need to stop demanding others do your work for you. If you want to know, then start in. Show your work here if you want. As it stands right now, you're just another brand new account in a sea of brand new accounts that like to start out stirring up drama. I'd like to give you the benefit of the doubt, and I will... if you can demonstrate logic with your next few posts.


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[NorthRiverGuide]

There's at least 5,000 more in that town.


So you're going to punish a company because of how some un-affiliated people are acting? Seems a strange way for the world to work... don't you think?

The fact that you're basing your decision of what to use on what you see on these forums in the first place, tells me you should probably reevaluate your strategy. You may not see how the tone of your posts sound, but no one owes anyone anything here. When a person really wants to know something, the laws of the universe dictate they must become invested in finding out the truth. That means you spend effort, time, and money. It takes work to know the truth. Certainly more work than just asking other people.

Seeing the claims about Hammers here over the last few years, I wanted to know. So, I started shooting some hammers, and I'm going to continue shooting critters with them, until I know. I didn't start posting on the internet about them demanding someone prove it to me. No one can do that for me. I have to do it for myself. That's the only reason anything I say has value to anyone, ever. I always do the work needed. I invest my skillset until I know. I just started on hammers a couple months ago. I don't know squat about them... but that will change with time and effort. What I have seen so far, has been impressive.

So you probably need to stop demanding others do your work for you. If you want to know, then start in. Show your work here if you want. As it stands right now, you're just another brand new account in a sea of brand new accounts that like to start out stirring up drama. I'd like to give you the benefit of the doubt, and I will... if you can demonstrate logic with your next few posts.


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I'm all about using assets to my advantage. Over the years I've pull great information on stuff out of different forums, groups, etc. It's a great way to see the big picture with people from all over. We can compare notes and information with each other. If I want to know about a custom gun maker their website will show nothing but positive feedback. Through places like this you can get the good and the bad and get a real world view. So instead of if I want to find out I should just drop thousands of dollars and possibly get stuck with a crappy rifle I got to get rid of. I could find out that prior and not waste time or money. It's called research not "demanding" and it's how I approach stuff. If I go to buy a car by the time I walk in I know everything about the vehicle and exactly what I want. I use multiple sources for my research so when I move forward I know exactly what I want and I'm getting. In the military they taught us work smarter not harder. You might not like it and you might choose to simply buy and try. That's your personal choice and what's best for you. Personally I'll stick to research and making decisions based off that research.

 

[Jonoton]

In high school a friend and I killed 225 rabbits in less than 3 hours, he shooting a scoped 10/22 and I shooting an open sight Winchester 94 in 17hmr. That was wandering about by foot and during a particularly bad population explosion. I ran out of ammunition and we ran out of daylight, if we had continued spotlighting who knows what the number would have been.

I don't think I'd enjoy that outing now as I did back then, but given a full days work, many 10/22 magazines, and the same population situation, over a thousand would be feasible. Some of the mesquite trees were boiling with rabbits, shotguns would have done well... It was disquieting and I've never seen their populations get that out of hand since.

A neighborhood near me is in a large oxbow of the river, and was once the largest pecan orchard in the US. It is now half built out with golf courses and houses, and I hear that the state wildlife department is considering a cull of 600 deer as they have become a nuisance with no predation and an abundance of nice landscaping and water. Residents are protesting any control efforts as 'inhumane,' but I dread when CWD takes hold in what amounts to that captive herd... But that is neither here nor there.

Anyways, point being that situations exist which present incredible numbers of animals and what amounts to a slaughter rather than a hunting situation.

 

[orkan]

That's your personal choice and what's best for you. Personally I'll stick to research and making decisions based off that research.

You take the worst possible interpretation of what someone is saying, setup a straw man, and argue. That's not the right way to go about things.

Who are you that anyone should listen? A brand new account spending all its time on the most hot-button topics this forum has, without an ounce of humility.

You can take your straw man arguments and set fire to them. At no point did I say to NOT do research on the internet. It has NOTHING to do with what I like or choose. It is the simple fact that you can do all the "research" you want... but until you have first hand experience, your opinion is worth precisely nothing. First hand experience is the ONLY way to get real wisdom. That is not my opinion or my choice... that's reality.



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[johnb338]

There's at least 5,000 more in that town.


So you're going to punish a company because of how some un-affiliated people are acting? Seems a strange way for the world to work... don't you think?

The fact that you're basing your decision of what to use on what you see on these forums in the first place, tells me you should probably reevaluate your strategy. You may not see how the tone of your posts sound, but no one owes anyone anything here. When a person really wants to know something, the laws of the universe dictate they must become invested in finding out the truth. That means you spend effort, time, and money. It takes work to know the truth. Certainly more work than just asking other people.

Seeing the claims about Hammers here over the last few years, I wanted to know. So, I started shooting some hammers, and I'm going to continue shooting critters with them, until I know. I didn't start posting on the internet about them demanding someone prove it to me. No one can do that for me. I have to do it for myself. That's the only reason anything I say has value to anyone, ever. I always do the work needed. I invest my skillset until I know. I just started on hammers a couple months ago. I don't know squat about them... but that will change with time and effort. What I have seen so far, has been impressive.

So you probably need to stop demanding others do your work for you. If you want to know, then start in. Show your work here if you want. As it stands right now, you're just another brand new account in a sea of brand new accounts that like to start out stirring up drama. I'd like to give you the benefit of the doubt, and I will... if you can demonstrate logic with your next few posts.


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well said!

 

[lancetkenyon]

Totally depends on the cartridge is question. A 28 Nosler running a 177 @ 3250fps is going to be a 400-600 round barrel life.
A 6.5CM running a 124 @ 3000 is going to be a 1500-2000 round barrel life.
A .308 running a 169 @ 2700 is going to be a 3000+ round barrel.

 

[Boatmanxxx]

I forgot the question...but its always entertaining. The passion you guys bring to the table on these threads is truly amazing! Makes me want to go out a shoot some stuff! lol Keep it coming !

 

[born2hunt4ever]

There's at least 5,000 more in that town.


So you're going to punish a company because of how some un-affiliated people are acting? Seems a strange way for the world to work... don't you think?

The fact that you're basing your decision of what to use on what you see on these forums in the first place, tells me you should probably reevaluate your strategy. You may not see how the tone of your posts sound, but no one owes anyone anything here. When a person really wants to know something, the laws of the universe dictate they must become invested in finding out the truth. That means you spend effort, time, and money. It takes work to know the truth. Certainly more work than just asking other people.

Seeing the claims about Hammers here over the last few years, I wanted to know. So, I started shooting some hammers, and I'm going to continue shooting critters with them, until I know. I didn't start posting on the internet about them demanding someone prove it to me. No one can do that for me. I have to do it for myself. That's the only reason anything I say has value to anyone, ever. I always do the work needed. I invest my skillset until I know. I just started on hammers a couple months ago. I don't know squat about them... but that will change with time and effort. What I have seen so far, has been impressive.

So you probably need to stop demanding others do your work for you. If you want to know, then start in. Show your work here if you want. As it stands right now, you're just another brand new account in a sea of brand new accounts that like to start out stirring up drama. I'd like to give you the benefit of the doubt, and I will... if you can demonstrate logic with your next few posts.


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Well said. I wanted to try Berger bullets. I read every thread on here and at long range only and read the 20+ pages on Jeff Brozovich's research but I wanted to find out for myself. Last year I shot five animals here in Montana with Berger bullets. All similar results to what Jeff has had and many others on here. Is five animals enough to justify what I want to see and if I should stick with that bullet? No not in my mind. I wanted to experience it first hand.

On another note, North River Guide, in Eastern Montana I went to friends ranch that said they were over run with gophers so I loaded my Ruger Precision and Savage Mark II chambered in 22lr and brought two bricks of 525 rounds. I have witnesses that I confirmed killed at least 800 of the 1050 shots I took that day. Some we thought I hit but weren't certain so we did not count them as confirmed kills. We had one person sitting with a clicker counting everyone I hit and then we tallied them after we got to 100 on the counter. I do not have a picture of the paper anymore with the tallies but I promise you it happened but I have no evidence to show for it just my word. I don't know why some people have to be so pushy if it isn't there way its no way. What does arguing and keep bringing it up solve? Nothing. If it is in your mind it's not possible then so be it. Move on.

 

[Rich Coyle]

@born2hunt4eve,

You posted what I have been thinking. I usually take folks at their word.

 

[FEENIX]

It's amazing to me that people would get so upset and start calling people trolls etc for asking questions. Questions should be allowed to be asked without being censored. I'm looking at re barreling a rifle and after my first post figured I would go with hammer. They speak so highly of them. Then I dare to question one of the biggest advocates of hammer about his extreme claims and now I'm target number one. If he's legitimate and proves it I'll gladly man up and say that I was wrong and apologize. By the reaction you would think I shot his dog. Gotta say though you have been very professional and I appreciate that.

PM me your address, and I will send you a box of 178 AH for your .308 Win.

 

[Chas1]

I use 300gr Berger bullet @ 3000 fps so can't say

 

[Window]

So I posted a little while back about looking at different bullets with small companies. I ended up going with a small company out of Montana cavity back bullets. Now I got a lot of recommendations for hammer bullets. Since then I have been reading quite a bit on this forum about them. Something I noticed is more than a couple guy's have been taking these to more the extreme velocities. Guys running 124's at over 4000 fps etc. So with an all copper bullet with a magnum cartridge and super high muzzle velocities what are you guys seeing for barrel life? I've used most bullets out there but there seems to be new ones always popping up and I like to try everything at least once. We run match lead core bullets in competition around 3000 fps with 6mm and 6.5mm and swap barrels every 1500-2000 rounds. This makes me wonder what you guys who run hammers are getting for barrel life? Any input is greatly appreciated.

That's a good question and I'll share my experience after a few years of running them in me hunting rigs. As I've stated before I'm a Weatherby nut and hunt primarily with overbore cartridges. I have one 30-378 that's on its 3rd barrel. Shooting the heavy Sierras and Bergers, the first two barrels lasted just over 1200 rounds. Firecracking stated in both between 100 to 150 rounds but accuracy held to well over 1000 rounds with significant throat erosion. Barrel number three has exclusively shot 181 HH's and has just over 800 rounds and the accuracy is still exceptional. In fairness, I don't run any of mine to max load and always try to find the middle node if at all possible. At 800 plus rounds, using the bore scope, I can't tell you if it's any better or any worse. Time will tell and I'll certainly share the final results in a year or so.

 

[FEENIX]

I use 300gr Berger bullet @ 3000 fps so can't say

That's a bad arse set-up.