Rick, I know the area very well. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif I had the 30-338 built for my Colorado Elk trips that I do every year since 1988!! Actually, I really like the big boomers to play with. I also shoot my 30-378 and 300 win mag a lot. I usually do most of my hunting with my TC 15" 338-06 or 375JDJ. This was the first year I hunted with a rifle for white-tail in about 7 yrs. The poor deer didn't know what happened! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif I've taken alot with TC and S&W revolvers, and the Bow-my primary weapon in Bucks and Montgomery County. I got 11 doe and 1 buck with the Bow in 2001. All my friends had meat for a long time! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif Deer are like rats here in Montco and Bucks. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif Long range rifle shooting is fun, but killing a big whitetail up close and personal is a real jolt of adrenalin. I shoot across the course Hi-power with my HBAR and a custom Win M70 bolt gun in 223 (75gr Hornady and Varget). I don't shoot the open sites very well anymore though. Turning 50 last year was tough on the old body and eyes, but I never really was a great position shooter;very hot and cold, never consistant. Last year was the first we took horses for Elk-each previous year was via backpack. I shot my 6x6 (175yds honest!) with my JDJ 12 miles from the truck; OUCH! It took fours of 2 days to bring him off. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif Anyway, the 168 is extremely accurate for a medium weight sporter for me.It's averaging 3100fps from the 25" barrel. Sub MOA on a caliber like this keeps me very happy. I wish I could consistantly get my 30-378 to group as well. I have trouble keeping the action screws and Mbrake tight under recoil. I have to keep checking things all the time. The only German gunsmith I know is in Q-town. His name is Ernie Lambrecht and he has to be 100 years old, but still smiths and sells guns. Hey, let me know if you ever need someone to hunt Elk with!! I have 2 hardcore friends who hunt there with me every year. Gerry. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif