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<blockquote data-quote="MNbogboy" data-source="post: 662910" data-attributes="member: 18849"><p>I often now wished I would have waited for a tool like the Chargemaster and it's relatives from the competitors to come out...In the days when I did a lot of shooting, it seemed I didn't have the time for reloading like I do now....</p><p></p><p>Because I love to tinker with electronics/mechanical I built the two automatic scales...Hence I put a lot of time (and hard earned money) into them....They were big, bulky and clumsy all on a wood frame work....They were no more accurate than .1gr at their finest and I could hand weigh almost as fast...The second one with the stepper motors and digital circuitry was a little faster but again .1 grain was best and .15 probably average deviation...The beam scale certainly was much more accurate than the simplified electronic/electrical that fed it.....To build one today would cost an arm and a leg compared to something like the Chargemaster.</p><p></p><p>I learned quite a bit about beam scales during the development of those early "chargemasters" and I believe those projects definitely helped me become a better hand loader....Albeit if the Chargemaster would have came out before I started those projects I probably would have bought one just because of my impatience then in the reloading room....</p><p></p><p>As we get older we appreciate the rewards of a job well done...I would bet that my loads seldom, if ever, deviate more than .05gr in powder now...We all can benefit from the great information, theory and advice a person picks up on sites.......By putting our heads together we should be able to stop nothing short of excellence in our shooting and reloading skills....</p><p></p><p>In days of no internet how was a person supposed to pick up the little "tricks" that make a good job easier.....I fought with powder clumping out the end of my Redding tricklers for years....That straw trick (yes that simple straw trick) never entered my mind till I read it on here a couple of years ago....Wow, what a difference....I use "clear" McDonald's straws I can see those clumps coming before they fall in the pan and adjust my trickle speed accordingly....The best cut on the straw end I found is a slight angle but no notch....I still catch myself scooping out a kernal or two if a clump does drop.....(pretty anal I guess but that's just me)....</p><p></p><p>Mike, as far as my surgery and western trips...I have been hurting bone/on/bone since last fall but put off going to the doc and getting his diagnosis till after I sent out my apps.....Doctor said take celebrex the day before I go and every day I am out there and he will fix me up when I get back.....The celebrex is pretty spendy almost $5 a pop, I tried it during shed hunting this spring and seems to work pretty good but the hills we have here are nothing like the mountains out west as everybody knows.....We have two for sure hunts planned already for MT....bow hunting for elk in Sept and back there again in Oct and possibly Nov for deer.....I am waiting on my WY draw results at the end of the month but they are both hard draws for both lope and deer so I do not expect to draw even though I might have 3% chance on the deer and maybe 6 or 7% on the lope....Hoping now that I don't draw but if I do I will still go...</p><p></p><p>I guess we are getting a little off the OPs questions and certainly would like to hear from him again....Also besides the guy I knew who had the little Lee scale is there anybody on this forum with any experience with them?</p><p></p><p>As far as the "cheap" chrono for the purpose of OCW testing a comparative velocity is really what you are looking for at that time and with proper set-up and reasonable light stability the cheap chrono should serve him well.....I also have had two "cheap" Shooting Chronys and they definitely are accurate as the conditions you subject them too....My sole use is comparative testing during load development...My chrono stand allows me to shade bright sun over the chrono at almost any angle making it very predictable and consistent...Field drop tests at longer ranges can verify your actual MV and my Shooting Chronys so far have been pretty much spot on....</p><p></p><p>My load development process developed over several decades is very similar to Green 788's method all done at 100 yards initially and then 300 and farther to verify after best 100 yard load is established.....After reading his methods I have hundreds of pages of targets & chrono records to go through to compare to his methods and if they agree and I think they will I might just save a bunch of ammo when I build my next one ( I have a 6.5-06 barrel coming sometimes in July that I am going to try Green's method on).....</p><p></p><p>Somebody else said that if the OP had results like he said it could be very well that he did everything right...I agree...</p><p>Randy</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="MNbogboy, post: 662910, member: 18849"] I often now wished I would have waited for a tool like the Chargemaster and it's relatives from the competitors to come out...In the days when I did a lot of shooting, it seemed I didn't have the time for reloading like I do now.... Because I love to tinker with electronics/mechanical I built the two automatic scales...Hence I put a lot of time (and hard earned money) into them....They were big, bulky and clumsy all on a wood frame work....They were no more accurate than .1gr at their finest and I could hand weigh almost as fast...The second one with the stepper motors and digital circuitry was a little faster but again .1 grain was best and .15 probably average deviation...The beam scale certainly was much more accurate than the simplified electronic/electrical that fed it.....To build one today would cost an arm and a leg compared to something like the Chargemaster. I learned quite a bit about beam scales during the development of those early "chargemasters" and I believe those projects definitely helped me become a better hand loader....Albeit if the Chargemaster would have came out before I started those projects I probably would have bought one just because of my impatience then in the reloading room.... As we get older we appreciate the rewards of a job well done...I would bet that my loads seldom, if ever, deviate more than .05gr in powder now...We all can benefit from the great information, theory and advice a person picks up on sites.......By putting our heads together we should be able to stop nothing short of excellence in our shooting and reloading skills.... In days of no internet how was a person supposed to pick up the little "tricks" that make a good job easier.....I fought with powder clumping out the end of my Redding tricklers for years....That straw trick (yes that simple straw trick) never entered my mind till I read it on here a couple of years ago....Wow, what a difference....I use "clear" McDonald's straws I can see those clumps coming before they fall in the pan and adjust my trickle speed accordingly....The best cut on the straw end I found is a slight angle but no notch....I still catch myself scooping out a kernal or two if a clump does drop.....(pretty anal I guess but that's just me).... Mike, as far as my surgery and western trips...I have been hurting bone/on/bone since last fall but put off going to the doc and getting his diagnosis till after I sent out my apps.....Doctor said take celebrex the day before I go and every day I am out there and he will fix me up when I get back.....The celebrex is pretty spendy almost $5 a pop, I tried it during shed hunting this spring and seems to work pretty good but the hills we have here are nothing like the mountains out west as everybody knows.....We have two for sure hunts planned already for MT....bow hunting for elk in Sept and back there again in Oct and possibly Nov for deer.....I am waiting on my WY draw results at the end of the month but they are both hard draws for both lope and deer so I do not expect to draw even though I might have 3% chance on the deer and maybe 6 or 7% on the lope....Hoping now that I don't draw but if I do I will still go... I guess we are getting a little off the OPs questions and certainly would like to hear from him again....Also besides the guy I knew who had the little Lee scale is there anybody on this forum with any experience with them? As far as the "cheap" chrono for the purpose of OCW testing a comparative velocity is really what you are looking for at that time and with proper set-up and reasonable light stability the cheap chrono should serve him well.....I also have had two "cheap" Shooting Chronys and they definitely are accurate as the conditions you subject them too....My sole use is comparative testing during load development...My chrono stand allows me to shade bright sun over the chrono at almost any angle making it very predictable and consistent...Field drop tests at longer ranges can verify your actual MV and my Shooting Chronys so far have been pretty much spot on.... My load development process developed over several decades is very similar to Green 788's method all done at 100 yards initially and then 300 and farther to verify after best 100 yard load is established.....After reading his methods I have hundreds of pages of targets & chrono records to go through to compare to his methods and if they agree and I think they will I might just save a bunch of ammo when I build my next one ( I have a 6.5-06 barrel coming sometimes in July that I am going to try Green's method on)..... Somebody else said that if the OP had results like he said it could be very well that he did everything right...I agree... Randy [/QUOTE]
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