Disappointed in non-resident hunters

[Barehandlineman11]

It's pretty simple if someone owns property doesn't matter how they got it can't trespass doesn't matter if there's public land in the middle of it. We own property that's behind a company's property we share the road but during hunting season we are not allowed to drive that road with firearms because he's a hunter too. It's gone to court many times with success.

 

[rockwind]

It's pretty simple if someone owns property doesn't matter how they got it can't trespass doesn't matter if there's public land in the middle of it. We own property that's behind a company's property we share the road but during hunting season we are not allowed to drive that road with firearms because he's a hunter too. It's gone to court many times with success.

true, the law is the law. but that doesn't mean we can't use a public forum to call out the scumbags that legally stole our access to public lands. used to be legal to own a human being,,,don't make it right.

 

[Coldfinger]

Hunting became profitable, it used to be cheap meat, now it's an expensive sport for most. Those looking for cheap meat and those looking to boost their ego are very different people playing the same game. They're not likely going to get along.
Not all, but many that paid thousands for a hunt don't plan on going home empty-handed and they'll step on toes to make sure that doesn't happen. I wouldn't know, but I'd assume tag soup tastes really bad when it costs hundreds or thousands of dollars.
Heck I don't even know what cheap tag soup tastes like and don't plan on finding out!
It doesn't matter where your from, there's bad folks everywhere. Sucks that some of them like to hunt.

A $700 tag sandwich on a 27 hour drive home taste horrible, but still not worth the problems associated with trespassing! I snuck up on a beautiful cow elk in Colorado aspen brush at 80 yards I was about to squeeze the trigger of my brand spanking new Oregunsmithing light weight 300 wsm and send the 185 grain Berger to the hair behind the crosshair,then I noticed an old wooden fence post between us and the ranchers wishes were distinct don't cross any fences! For the third time I chewed that tag all the way back to NY! No mayo, mustard or Swiss cheese to help!!!!

 

[Barehandlineman11]

Who stole access too public lands?

 

[rogerstv]

In Wyoming, I witnessed what I suspect was a private landowner drive onto public land to push an antelope herd back onto private. He conducted this maneuver numerous times over an hour or so. Scumbags come in all shapes and forms.

I witness a slew of it at state and federally operated public duck hunting lands.

 

[rockwind]

Who stole access too public lands?

travisch could explain better than I

but the outfitters and ranchers conspired to use a corrupt system to block access to large tracts of prime public land by lobbying state politicians to get rid of the corner crossing law, I can't believe they managed to get it done. all involved should be tried and convicted.

amazing how for many years corner crossing was not trespassing but now, due to the greasing of palms, it is not.

read first article about supposedly asking for permission.

so disappointed in montana, the corruption seems as bad as the ultra liberal states.

https://www.greatfallstribune.com/s...-bill-will-carry-hefty-consequences/99488576/

MOGA, RMEF, and Randy Newberg

Well, since the last four days of my life have been made very difficult by a few fringe elements in the Montana Outfitter and Guides Association (MOGA), I am going to post what has been going on. Makes me wonder if all the MOGA members know a few of their leaders are willing to use their...

www.hunttalk.com

 

[Barehandlineman11]

Ya that's just messed up. Didn't know that

 

[rockwind]

Thanks for proving my point about the narcissistic attitude of the average American.

You guys are all upset that people don't follow the laws about fires but you have no problem with the idea of breaking the laws in regards to trespassing on private property.

This is what's wrong with most people today, as long as a law suites you it's a good law, but when it interferes with what you want to do then it's a bad law.

All these guys whining about the corner crossing laws never mention that all they have to do is ask for permission to cross the private land and most often they'll get permission if they had the gonads to ask.

hey,, what if someone bought all the property in a circle around your place, then said you couldn't cross to get home? that's fair right? it's their property

 

[Pmacc60]

hey,, what if someone bought all the property in a circle around your place, then said you couldn't cross to get home? that's fair right? it's their property

This argument has been going on since the 80's In the west! Ranchers pay grazing use fees and use the land to make a living. Hunters want to use the BLM land to hunt , there is the problem. They don't want to give access because they control the right of way. Ranching / farming is a tough business and these guys are tough minded . Over the years jack wagons left fences opened , shot live stock and left trash about! It don't take many idiots to ruin it all for everyone. Truth is the picture is looking bleak for the future with politics , predators and jerks out there giving the honest hard working hunter a bad name! Great points by all on this one !

 

[rockwind]

This argument has been going on since the 80's In the west! Ranchers pay grazing use fees and use the land to make a living. Hunters want to use the BLM land to hunt , there is the problem. They don't want to give access because they control the right of way. Ranching / farming is a tough business and these guys are tough minded . Over the years jack wagons left fences opened , shot live stock and left trash about! It don't take many idiots to ruin it all for everyone. Truth is the picture is looking bleak for the future with politics , predators and jerks out there giving the honest hard working hunter a bad name! Great points by all on this one !

slightly disagree. the law to ban corner crossing was only passed a couple years ago, as we read, by what appears to be a very corrupt process by a bunch of corrupt people (outfitters and ranchers). taking away a united states citizen's right to use public lands is not a great point. coupled with the obvious fact that they did it so they could control that land and use it as private hunting grounds to sell access to the trophy animals that the ranchers and their outfitter conspirators, without question, drive or herd onto essentially private unaccessable public land that they now control, so no one else can get a chance at a buck of a lifetime unless we pay our "masters" who own everything. nice. the wildlife is a PUBLIC RESOURCE, that is managed to be as fair as possible, what they are doing is stealing from us all, using corrupt legal chicanery to do it,, as quietly as possible.

i believe everyone should have a fair playing field for getting a nice buck or bull. thanks to this new law,, that is clearly not the case.

all the guys who think if they work their butt off glassing, hiking, practicing shooting, scouting for months ahead of time and have a successful DIY hunt are now out of luck, or have had their odds drastically reduced. what do they have to say about this? sound fair to you?

as far as shooting livestock,,, been around 56 years now,,,weak excuse! never seen it happen. no doubt it does,,, but i would guess lions and coyotes are more of a problem than the rare newbie hunter shooting a cow by mistake.

purposeful shooting of livestock is another story,, doubt if those are hunters, also unsure of statistics on that but what does it have to do with have access to public lands.

I do not understand how all the hunters on here cannot be outraged by this?

 

[Ol' Red]

I can see both sides to this. Both are right and both are wrong, because circumstances are never the same every time. I have a friend that owns a very large ranch in the area. Just over ten years ago one of his wife's horses was shot and killed by a hunter. He will allow friends that he trusts hunt or he rides with on his time and schedule. There is some land locked BLM in the middle of his 40,000 acres plus ranch. There have been some ranchers that post property that is not even on their ranch. Just as with with bad hunters there are bad and inconsiderate people of all professions and hobbies. I try to be fair to all until crossed. In the words of Forrest Gump - that's all I have to say about that.

 

[DSheetz]

In the county I live in one billionaire has bought up hundreds of thousands of acres of ranch land thusly land locking hundreds of thousands of acres of state , BLM and National Forest land . But then when the Clinton administration closed the roads they did , those lands were closed off any way .

 

[Ol' Red]

In the county I live in one billionaire has bought up hundreds of thousands of acres of ranch land thusly land locking hundreds of thousands of acres of state , BLM and National Forest land . But then when the Clinton administration closed the roads they did , those lands were closed off any way .

That sucks!

 

[Pmacc60]

slightly disagree. the law to ban corner crossing was only passed a couple years ago, as we read, by what appears to be a very corrupt process by a bunch of corrupt people (outfitters and ranchers). taking away a united states citizen's right to use public lands is not a great point. coupled with the obvious fact that they did it so they could control that land and use it as private hunting grounds to sell access to the trophy animals that the ranchers and their outfitter conspirators, without question, drive or herd onto essentially private unaccessable public land that they now control, so no one else can get a chance at a buck of a lifetime unless we pay our "masters" who own everything. nice. the wildlife is a PUBLIC RESOURCE, that is managed to be as fair as possible, what they are doing is stealing from us all, using corrupt legal chicanery to do it,, as quietly as possible.

i believe everyone should have a fair playing field for getting a nice buck or bull. thanks to this new law,, that is clearly not the case.

all the guys who think if they work their butt off glassing, hiking, practicing shooting, scouting for months ahead of time and have a successful DIY hunt are now out of luck, or have had their odds drastically reduced. what do they have to say about this? sound fair to you?

as far as shooting livestock,,, been around 56 years now,,,weak excuse! never seen it happen. no doubt it does,,, but i would guess lions and coyotes are more of a problem than the rare newbie hunter shooting a cow by mistake.

purposeful shooting of livestock is another story,, doubt if those are hunters, also unsure of statistics on that but what does it have to do with have access to public lands.

I do not understand how all the hunters on here cannot be outraged by this?

Everything I said is accurate , this debate started in the 80's , I remember a small rancher friend of mine telling a guy from PA that access has to go through private land and things are going to change. Also I know of a goat checked at a deer checking station on the Eastern shore of Md back in the early 80's , a turkey hunter killing a farmers domestic turkey by mistake and beef being hit by a deer hunter not sure of his back ground . We need to start in our own ranks and clean the slobs and inexperience hunters up! One member thought a on line course for out of state hunters , that's a good idea!

I'm with you however , it isn't right to lock out areas that the rancher don't own. There is right always in every other avenue of society and you tell me we can't get the same consideration ? Believe me it irritates the heck out of me and we should band together and fight it.