Thanks for the help guy's. I loaded some rounds at 49.5 grs of VhitAvouri N165, and seated bullets at .045 , .050 , .055 , and .060. It was kind of a tough mourning at the range, very full and the two benches to my left were shooting muzzelloaders and the bench to my right was a group of guys shooting an AR15 so occassionally brass would bounce off the screen and land on my bench ( official excuse for any and all fliers ). At .050 the group shrank down to under one inch at one hundred yards, at .055 the group became one hole. Gotta love that. Thanks again guy's, you saved me alot of powder and frustration. The guy's at my favorite local store kept telling me they couldn't get Barnes bullets to group, so I will take in the target ( not bragging rights rights mind you, simply a visual aid to authenticate the information I am providing, )and pass the info on to them. Thanks again.