Data for shooting at higher elevations

[Taylorbok]

Well the sign over the entrance here reads (long range hunting).
And for those who might be interested in simply doing that, none of the information contained in the above posts will be of much real use to you.
You dont have to agree with me on anything, fact is id advise not agreeing with anybody till you yourself have tried shooting at some targets at the distances most animals are killed at long range.
And that distance will be up to 1000yds max, with most shots well under that distance.
Many of todays factory rifles having just a decent scope that can be dialed will be a good starting point.
A rangefinder is helpfull, but even that isnt absolutely essential to start.
Guessing the distance will get you closer to the target than you might think at the closer distances. And it can actually have benefits in that it can teach you how to use the dial of the scope in a hunting situation.
Read about the (one shot zero) method of sighting a rifle and practice it. Then use it on the long range targets you shoot at.
You will soon learn that all you need is you, a decent gun, and a good place to shoot, with the latter being the most important.
Dart boards are placed on walls and not floors for a good reason, and shooting a rifle at targets on steep sidehills is visually similar.
As for necessary equipment for a long range hunter?
The hunting part starts with finding game, and that requires very good binoculars, preferably mounted on a tripod.
Ask any experienced/successful long range hunter what he needs most as for equipment, and you will find that things like wind meters, scope levels, and angle indicators for scopes wont even be on the list of at least most of them.
How we shoot, is a far more important topic than this one.

I didn't think I had to quote your entire messages to remind you what you said.... read it again.

I didnt forget about the so called private room.
I was here when the so called room was created, and i also remember well who the prime mover for its creation was.
Point of the whole matter is that average Joe shooter can become much better at shooting longer distances than he might think.
And in order to do that he dosent need to be investing in things he himself will later find were unnesasery to have.
As for the experts, there have been no shortages of them spewing forth their opinions on things for much longer than my now very long life.
Much of it related to things like selling books or gadgets.

Maybe you've been here so long you forgot about what this sub is about.

I'd really like this sub-forum to be mainly for the guys who already know how to do it over 1,000 yards.

I hope everyone of all levels of skill and experience will enjoy reading the topics in order to learn more.

But I hope the questions and discussion will come mostly from already qualified thousand yard plus shooters or those who are almost there right now.

I want this to be a special spot for the guys who already do it over 1,000 yards. Their own playground.

I'd like this sub-forum to be free from the 300 yard shooter asking the same question that someone else just asked yesterday about 300 yard shooting.

RULES

• No neophyte questions and discussions, find them elsewhere on this site.
• OVER 1,000 yards

The only good info I've seen you give in this sub is "go shoot". Every post you make seems to have some little bit of truth then a whole bunch of bad advice so it'd be pretty hard for a new comer to see through. But I'm sure we should listen to you instead of the guys who literally wrote the book. If you have some custom drag models I'd like to see them... I bet you have a reason we don't need those.

 

[338 dude]

Well without trying to be crass about it, its no different than learning how to do most things.
First find someone who does know, and who is willing to actually show you, and not just tell you what they think.
Actually its much easier than you might think.

I agree and disagree with your posts at least the last sentence is easier than you think anyone can hit with any rifle at any given time but I believe the better equipment and a little training the percentage of hits starts to go up

 

[yobuck]

I agree and disagree with your posts at least the last sentence is easier than you think anyone can hit with any rifle at any given time but I believe the better equipment and a little training the percentage of hits starts to go up

Well common sense is a requirement in pretty much everything we do in life.
Practice wont necessarily always produce perfect, but as a rule improvement takes place when we do, and thats true of all things.
So if a shooter is capable of producing 1/2" groups with his factory made rifle at 100 yds, why then arent his groups proportionately the same at longer distances?
And since any control the shooter might have ends at the instant the projectile leaves the muzzel, what difference would a better gun have made?
And of coarse the logical answer is none, the difference in performance would be due to conditions encountered by the bullet itself while on its way to the target.
Now of coarse some might ague thats an over simplification of facts, which is what much of what this discussion is about.
Practical minds vs technical minds.

 

[StanleyActual]

they are but most shooters that did 600 800 1000 yard shooting was done at F class matches camp perry 1000 with pep sights even work but most was done on known ranges with wind flags all over and and some matches even had wind callers for the shooters they still do in 1980 to range a shot what did you use a mildot scope? a tankers Laser or a golfers split image range finder? the gear was just not there for the hunter to make the long range shots on game. now there are long range matches PR matches were shooters can learn how to make the shots and at any matches you will find the kestrel laser range finder or the all inone range and Bel apps

i was using a 10x Unertl Mil dot for ranging tgt in the corps late 90's - early 2000's. We didnt have LRF's unless we came out of pocket for them ourselves and back then on .mil pay you'd be lucky if you were able to range out to 700 with one. Matter of fact instil have the one I carried in Afghan back in 04. 1000…. Pfft, be lucky to get 700 out of it. Now you can spend under $500 and buy a Sig Kilo that will get you to a mile

Depending on the size of the target your trying Mil, once you get I to 800+, if
You're off by a 1/10 of a mil you're range can be off upwards of 100 yards and that's if you have the exact dimension of the target your milling. One thing to Mil a stationary Target, Whole different ball game trying to Mil a target at distance when it's moving and you're "estimating" it's size

affordable LRF's and Kestrels are easy to find these days. Not really any excuse not to have one. Mission essential pieces kit as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Jeffrey Van Zandt]

i was using a 10x Unertl Mil dot for ranging tgt in the corps late 90's - early 2000's. We didnt have LRF's unless we came out of pocket for them ourselves and back then on .mil pay you'd be lucky if you were able to range out to 700 with one. Matter of fact instil have the one I carried in Afghan back in 04. 1000…. Pfft, be lucky to get 700 out of it. Now you can spend under $500 and buy a Sig Kilo that will get you to a mile
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Depending on the size of the target your trying Mil, once you get I to 800+, if
You're off by a 1/10 of a mil you're range can be off upwards of 100 yards and that's if you have the exact dimension of the target your milling. One thing to Mil a stationary Target, Whole different ball game trying to Mil a target at distance when it's moving and you're "estimating" it's size

affordable LRF's and Kestrels are easy to find these days. Not really any excuse not to have one. Mission essential pieces kit as far as I'm concerned.

yes I was using a mil dot scope in 1990 right up to 2005 in Iraq I was given a hours with there set up in 04 but did not like it so went with a mil dot. if milling now with a scope Todds tremor is the one to use but I do a laser and a h59 ret along with my Kestrel
love it

 

[StanleyActual]

yes I was using a mil dot scope in 1990 right up to 2005 in Iraq I was given a hours with there set up in 04 but did not like it so went with a mil dot. if milling now with a scope Todds tremor is the one to use but I do a laser and a h59 ret love it

Right on!

Yeah the Horus reticles have grown on me. Once you get used to then, theyre extremely useful and quick if you know how to use them. Recently picked up an NXS with an H58 on it. I dig it.

 

[Jeffrey Van Zandt]

Right on!

Yeah the Horus reticles have grown on me. Once you get used to then, theyre extremely useful and quick if you know how to use them. Recently picked up an NXS with an H58 on it. I dig it.

nice rig have the same on my 300 quick and easy to use

 

[StanleyActual]

nice rig have the same on my 300 quick and easy to use

Ageeed. i do prefer the he open center / floating dot on the H59's and T3's. Only thing I would change on the H58