If nothing else I'm looking for a starting point for the 168 gr MKs and RL25.I'm somewhat of a novice at working up loads from scratch,but learning,its my understanding you can get into more trouble than you want, by being too conservative with starting loads ie. detonation? If anyone could clear that up would appreciate it,just don't want to "git all blowed up"as they used to say on SCTV. Thanks, Jeff