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<blockquote data-quote="yorke-1" data-source="post: 1521596" data-attributes="member: 11960"><p>If you wanted to stay with the Encore and 7mm I think the 7 Rem Mag would be about the upper limit of what you can work with. In fact the belted mags all represent the upper limit of what you can safely do in an Encore. There are exceptions for large, low pressure cases like the 416 Rigby, but they need to be loaded pretty conservatively. Very few (if any) custom shops will do the WSM or RUM sized magnums on an Encore because of the bolt thrust issues. EABCO has a great explanation why they won't do it.</p><p><a href="https://www.eabco.com/WSM01.htm" target="_blank">https://www.eabco.com/WSM01.htm</a></p><p></p><p>For what you're looking to do I think you're in the realm of the bolt action pistols. A 7mm Rem Mag from a 15" Encore barrel would probably be lucky to hit 2700fps with a 168gr bullet from a 14-15" barrel. I get 2720fps shooting 168gr bullet from a 284 Win in an 18" Savage Striker. That would put me at about the 300 yard mark before it dropped below the 2000 FPE mark if that's the number you use to evaluate the suitability of an elk chambering. Since you're looking to go out to 5-600 yards with a 7mm from a specialty pistol, you'll need to go up to a case the size of the 28 Nosler or 7mm Dakota from an 18" barrel shooting something like a 180gr Berger at 2850+ fps (very realistic) to get you to 600 yards. The Nosler and Dakota are great rounds in a bolt action pistol and might be perfect for what you want to do.</p><p></p><p>The other option is to go to a larger caliber. I'm partial to the 338s and use a Savage Striker in 338/375 Ruger for my elk pistol. With a 260gr Hammer Hunter at 2730fps from the 18" barrel, it won't drop below the the 2000 fpe mark until after 700 yards. If I want to go REALLY far with a specialty pistol I have a 338 SnipeTac that shoots the 300gr OTM at 2875 fps from a 20" barrel. That would get out to about 1200 yards before dropping below 2000 fpe.</p><p></p><p>Any of the bolt action pistols will be very manageable if you throw a good brake on them, even when you get up into the bigger chamberings. This is the 338/375 pistol shooting 250gr bullets at 2745 fps from a gun that weighs 8.5# </p><p>[MEDIA=youtube]wsrGTbNMxAg[/MEDIA]</p><p></p><p>The specialty pistols are very easy to shoot and are accurate enough to shoot far beyond the distance that you're looking to hunt. That lets you practice out beyond 1000 yards so that those 5-600 yard shots are no problem.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="yorke-1, post: 1521596, member: 11960"] If you wanted to stay with the Encore and 7mm I think the 7 Rem Mag would be about the upper limit of what you can work with. In fact the belted mags all represent the upper limit of what you can safely do in an Encore. There are exceptions for large, low pressure cases like the 416 Rigby, but they need to be loaded pretty conservatively. Very few (if any) custom shops will do the WSM or RUM sized magnums on an Encore because of the bolt thrust issues. EABCO has a great explanation why they won't do it. [URL]https://www.eabco.com/WSM01.htm[/URL] For what you're looking to do I think you're in the realm of the bolt action pistols. A 7mm Rem Mag from a 15" Encore barrel would probably be lucky to hit 2700fps with a 168gr bullet from a 14-15" barrel. I get 2720fps shooting 168gr bullet from a 284 Win in an 18" Savage Striker. That would put me at about the 300 yard mark before it dropped below the 2000 FPE mark if that's the number you use to evaluate the suitability of an elk chambering. Since you're looking to go out to 5-600 yards with a 7mm from a specialty pistol, you'll need to go up to a case the size of the 28 Nosler or 7mm Dakota from an 18" barrel shooting something like a 180gr Berger at 2850+ fps (very realistic) to get you to 600 yards. The Nosler and Dakota are great rounds in a bolt action pistol and might be perfect for what you want to do. The other option is to go to a larger caliber. I'm partial to the 338s and use a Savage Striker in 338/375 Ruger for my elk pistol. With a 260gr Hammer Hunter at 2730fps from the 18" barrel, it won't drop below the the 2000 fpe mark until after 700 yards. If I want to go REALLY far with a specialty pistol I have a 338 SnipeTac that shoots the 300gr OTM at 2875 fps from a 20" barrel. That would get out to about 1200 yards before dropping below 2000 fpe. Any of the bolt action pistols will be very manageable if you throw a good brake on them, even when you get up into the bigger chamberings. This is the 338/375 pistol shooting 250gr bullets at 2745 fps from a gun that weighs 8.5# [MEDIA=youtube]wsrGTbNMxAg[/MEDIA] The specialty pistols are very easy to shoot and are accurate enough to shoot far beyond the distance that you're looking to hunt. That lets you practice out beyond 1000 yards so that those 5-600 yard shots are no problem. [/QUOTE]
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