Bolt vs semi auto...!!!! clasic :=)

[soundwaves]

ok here we go with a clasic debate. pls dont change the situation or the debate as the thread goes on....

so is a semi auto really beter in a medium range stand off fire fight against multiple targets than the bolt gun?????

l belive not as a semi auto incoreges the shooter to shoot more rapidly and makes him porne to many bad first shots on each taget. ( l know this from quail hunting..l concider my self a good shooter and hunter. l come home with 50-60 quail without missing any shots with my over and under and when l take a semi auto out hunting a tend to get careless. doesnt mater how much l try and concintrate.. the ancoreging felling of having alot of rounds to lay down range makes me become careles when puting leed on the target. ))

so would like to get your reviews on this. but make shure you know the situations are a medium ranged stand off from 500 _ 200 yards. ( so the enemy isnt comeing through the chimney or your windows :=))
sorry for any spelling mistakes. gun)

 

[soundwaves]

l forgot to say that the semi autos always bloody jam right when you really need them to work. it hapened to me countles times.

 

[Varmint Hunter]

Are you referring to some type of self defense situation? I think I'm missing something in your post.

 

[soundwaves]

Are you referring to some type of self defense situation? I think I'm missing something in your post.

yeah in battle. snipeing dude like war. that is self defance aswell ? you dont wanna die so yeah :=) you a sniper on a hill or in a building and the enemy int gona come into a bulding just a stand off fight. what would you pick? got it now?

 

[Coyboy]

Well if it came to that I would take these 50 guys with bolt actions, over 250 average infantrymen with semi-autos.




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[soundwaves]

Well if it came to that I would take these 50 guys with bolt actions, over 250 average infantrymen with semi-autos.




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7Jeff Badley97.60796.64094.851289.098
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10Ryan Kerr97.30596.91783.881278.103
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12Tim Long97.50092.92084.760275.180
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19Stan Owens91.85389.46183.809265.123
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20Floyd Cook92.03586.73284.716263.483
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21Regina Milkovich95.77188.10979.545263.425
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22Jason Keim89.52888.62285.096263.246
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24Tom Lancaster93.17983.24982.909259.337
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25Brian Sanders97.01490.46771.576259.057
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27Jim See90.79685.18282.525258.503
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38Adam Lucksinger88.19778.34277.172243.711
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41Bradley Bell83.16579.60377.349240.117
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46Zach Scurlock86.66681.41565.491233.572
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lol you would have a terrible intense time to take out 1 or 2 of these guys let alone 50 of em :=))) all these dudes are snipers l checked :=))))

 

[Joe King]

your right about getting careless with more rounds to send down range immediately, but the higher rate of tends to keep folks heads down. my choice would be to not end up in that situation to begin with, if forced in it i'd try to back off and increase the distance and use a hyper accurate bolt gun, if not possible, gimme a gas gun and a $&$# ton of ammo, cause im probably cornered any way, may as well make it a helluva mess.

 

[Bravo 4]

Jim,
I SEE you named yourself.

 

[Coyboy]

Jim,
I SEE you named yourself.

Well if I needed 50 men, I would have to one of them?

That's the list for the PRS finally this weekend at Rifles Only. + or - a couple I may have missed.
I must say me getting into tactical shooting this year has gone very well and I have a greater appreciation for the talented shooters that this country produces, from Military, law enforcement and civilian avenues, Men and Women included.

This type of competition is well suited to create excellent marksmen, adding pressure, time limits, and both physical and mental challenges, certainly advances ones ability. I just wish we had more of it in the mid-west, seems to be well established across the southern half of the Country.

Open enrollment for 2013 will start shortly.
PRS: Precision Rifle Series

 

[Farmer Rob]

I would think that a mix would be the preferred option, some autos to lay suppressive fire (like there supposed to be) and a few snipers the actually take out the bad guys

 

[WildRose]

ok here we go with a clasic debate. pls dont change the situation or the debate as the thread goes on....

so is a semi auto really beter in a medium range stand off fire fight against multiple targets than the bolt gun?????

l belive not as a semi auto incoreges the shooter to shoot more rapidly and makes him porne to many bad first shots on each taget. ( l know this from quail hunting..l concider my self a good shooter and hunter. l come home with 50-60 quail without missing any shots with my over and under and when l take a semi auto out hunting a tend to get careless. doesnt mater how much l try and concintrate.. the ancoreging felling of having alot of rounds to lay down range makes me become careles when puting leed on the target. ))

so would like to get your reviews on this. but make shure you know the situations are a medium ranged stand off from 500 _ 200 yards. ( so the enemy isnt comeing through the chimney or your windows :=))
sorry for any spelling mistakes. gun)

In a firefight you want to put as much hurt on the enemy as possible as quickly as possible.

When I had a choice my favorite rifle on missions was an upgraded M-14.

As a rule though it is much more difficult to get extreme precision out of a Semi auto much less full than it is to get the same out of a bolt gun.

It's important to make every shot at a bad guy count but it's also important to lay down enough accurate fire rapidly so as to put their heads down.

It's very difficult to shoot back accurately when you know the bag guys have direct LOS to where your position is... .