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<blockquote data-quote="ENCORE" data-source="post: 874817" data-attributes="member: 33046"><p>Right from Western's web page:</p><p> </p><p><em>"We <strong>DO NOT</strong> recommend any of the 209 primers designated for muzzleloaders (Winchester Triple 7, CCI MZL, Federal Fusion, or Remington Kleanbore). These primers are all weaker than standard shotshell 209 primers and do not provide adequate ignition for Blackhorn 209 –</em> <u><strong><em>especially </em><em>when</em></strong> <strong><em>used in a poorly designed breech plug system</em></strong></u><em>. We also <strong>DO NOT</strong> recommend #11 percussion caps, musket caps, high-powered rifle or pistol primers."</em></p><p> </p><p>The designated muzzleloader primers are weaker for a reason and that's because of pellets that are used. However regular 209 primers will ignite BH209, such as the common WIN209. But...... they're not recommended and in very cold weather, may not provide sufficient ignition continuously. Does that mean its harder to ignite, well compared to 2f or the other propellants, yes.</p><p> </p><p>The only people that use BH and ever go back to another propellant, are people that think its to expensive. However its a much better propellant and you still get 50 rounds fired from a container (depending on charge), equal to a box of pellets. Inconsistency in pellets has long been known, with velocities substantially different. With BH and if measured by WEIGHT vs Volume (using the correct and safe procedures), you can close up the velocities and make it extremely consistent. CONSISTENCY is the key in muzzleloading and accuracy, especially long range accuracy and tight groups.</p><p> </p><p>Before this year's eye problems, my Pro Hunter was shooting groups under 2" at 200yds....... consistently. I could never do that with ANY kind of pellets. I do weigh all my charges and shoot 75grs by WEIGHT, which amounts to 107.1grs V. I don't have to swab the barrel between shots, ever, and it cleans up with just Hoppe's, NOT water. Michigan has over 660,000 deer hunter, with many of them leaving the shotgun and centerfires in the safe and only using the muzz. Those that have the proper breech plugs, are switching to BH209 faster than the stores can stock it. When you find it, shooters are buying what they can afford. Many are purchasing the 5# containers. There's a reason for that........</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ENCORE, post: 874817, member: 33046"] Right from Western's web page: [I]"We [B]DO NOT[/B] recommend any of the 209 primers designated for muzzleloaders (Winchester Triple 7, CCI MZL, Federal Fusion, or Remington Kleanbore). These primers are all weaker than standard shotshell 209 primers and do not provide adequate ignition for Blackhorn 209 –[/I] [U][B][I]especially [/I][I]when[/I][/B] [B][I]used in a poorly designed breech plug system[/I][/B][/U][I]. We also [B]DO NOT[/B] recommend #11 percussion caps, musket caps, high-powered rifle or pistol primers."[/I] The designated muzzleloader primers are weaker for a reason and that's because of pellets that are used. However regular 209 primers will ignite BH209, such as the common WIN209. But...... they're not recommended and in very cold weather, may not provide sufficient ignition continuously. Does that mean its harder to ignite, well compared to 2f or the other propellants, yes. The only people that use BH and ever go back to another propellant, are people that think its to expensive. However its a much better propellant and you still get 50 rounds fired from a container (depending on charge), equal to a box of pellets. Inconsistency in pellets has long been known, with velocities substantially different. With BH and if measured by WEIGHT vs Volume (using the correct and safe procedures), you can close up the velocities and make it extremely consistent. CONSISTENCY is the key in muzzleloading and accuracy, especially long range accuracy and tight groups. Before this year's eye problems, my Pro Hunter was shooting groups under 2" at 200yds....... consistently. I could never do that with ANY kind of pellets. I do weigh all my charges and shoot 75grs by WEIGHT, which amounts to 107.1grs V. I don't have to swab the barrel between shots, ever, and it cleans up with just Hoppe's, NOT water. Michigan has over 660,000 deer hunter, with many of them leaving the shotgun and centerfires in the safe and only using the muzz. Those that have the proper breech plugs, are switching to BH209 faster than the stores can stock it. When you find it, shooters are buying what they can afford. Many are purchasing the 5# containers. There's a reason for that........ [/QUOTE]
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