Bad Sendero

[A_Baker]

Back in Nov i baught a brand new Sendero in 300 RUM,took the rifle still in the box to Hill Country Rifles In New Braunsfels Tx to have in bedded in a Mcmillian stock,and accurized,because of there backlog i had a 4 month wait,got a call today from Matt at HCR about the rifle,the chamber was .025 out of round,and the barrel was warped. Hopefully Remington wont give me to much trouble on getting the rifle replaced.

 

[Trickymissfit]

Back in Nov i baught a brand new Sendero in 300 RUM,took the rifle still in the box to Hill Country Rifles In New Braunsfels Tx to have in bedded in a Mcmillian stock,and accurized,because of there backlog i had a 4 month wait,got a call today from Matt at HCR about the rifle,the chamber was .025 out of round,and the barrel was warped. Hopefully Remington wont give me to much trouble on getting the rifle replaced.

I bought a new .223VS a few years back that shoot real nice 4" groups with hand loads. No matter what I did, a little over 4" was about it. Folks said I was the problem, and took it out to see what they could do with it. A couple weeks later I get a call asking me how I managed to shoot 4.25" groups with it? Did a chamber cast as well as a complete barrel chart. The chamber was reamed .007" off center, and to add insult at roughly a 7 degree angle to the bore. The barrel was so rough that it tore up patches! But even worse was the fact that Remington never deburred that reciever after machining! The bolt was seating on a very large burr (.06" to .07"). I should have sent it back to Remington, but took the task into hand. Ended up with a 20" barrel that shoots in the low fours and high threes. I lost about 75fps in velocity. This was my last Remington, and will be my last.
gary

 

[Rustystud]

You get what you pay for. Remngton factory standards now are 1.5 MOA.

Another reason to shoot a Custom Rifle.

Nat Lambeth

 

[Kevin Thomas]

Did a chamber cast as well as a complete barrel chart. The chamber was reamed .007" off center, and to add insult at roughly a 7 degree angle to the bore.

Saw exactly the same thing some years back in not one, but FOUR 6.8 SPC M700s. Shooting three or four inches at 100 meters, and that was from a machine rest. Ran the bore scope in and found that the rifling stopped well into the throat . . . on one side. On the other side, the rifling came all the way down to the case mouth, stopping abruptly at the step of the chamber. Did a chamber cast of all four, and they were all identical. Don't know what the angle was (and really didn't care), but they were all the same, obviously chambered on the same set up with the error repeated precisely in all four. Big Green seems to be making an effort to get this sort of issue cleaned up, but I'm still very cautious about buying a newer Remington these days. As long as they're marketing to the Wal-Mart crowd instead of gunshops and serious shooters, we'll probably continue see this from time to time.

 

[Mikecr]

I'd like to know if there is ANY other factory brand that makes guns so bad!
Then maybe I could understand why people actually buy Remingtons..

 

[backwoods83]

H&R handi rifles! Oh wait Remington owns them to!

 

[Kevin Thomas]

Then maybe I could understand why people actually buy Remingtons..

Because the M700 is a truly great design, and they're very good rifles. The fact that they've (Remington) turned out garbage for some time is reflective of the ownership or management, not the design itself. I still buy Remingtons, and have no qualms about doing so. However, I will say that I'd rather find one in a pawn shop or a used one that's several years old in a gun store than one of more recent production.

Basic truism in this industry; all companies can produce good, and bad products, depending on who's running them at the time. I'm a long time S&W revolver fan, I truly love 'em. They recently changed some facets of their design, and frankly I'm not pleased with those changes, but they're still very high quality guns. Some of the best they've ever produced, in fact. That said, I'll also be the first to admit that at various points in their history, they've turned out some genuine *** garbage. Years ago I bought an M28 357 Mag that would have been a perfect training gun for an apprentice gunsmith, because it had virtually ever single proble you could build into the S&W design. Out of time, poor alignment, a fast-stop condition, you name it, it had it. Still, it's a good design. The fact that the ownership at that time placed profits above quality was a fact of life at the time, but that changed when they sold out to the next owners. These things matter, and I just hope Remington will get a handle on this and go back to what they once were.

 

[Boss Hoss]

Kevin---you are right things change and sometimes not for the better. I loved the Python but sadly there will never be anymore of those either.

 

[Trickymissfit]

Saw exactly the same thing some years back in not one, but FOUR 6.8 SPC M700s. Shooting three or four inches at 100 meters, and that was from a machine rest. Ran the bore scope in and found that the rifling stopped well into the throat . . . on one side. On the other side, the rifling came all the way down to the case mouth, stopping abruptly at the step of the chamber. Did a chamber cast of all four, and they were all identical. Don't know what the angle was (and really didn't care), but they were all the same, obviously chambered on the same set up with the error repeated precisely in all four. Big Green seems to be making an effort to get this sort of issue cleaned up, but I'm still very cautious about buying a newer Remington these days. As long as they're marketing to the Wal-Mart crowd instead of gunshops and serious shooters, we'll probably continue see this from time to time.

I know a guy that bought two 700 PS's at the sametime. Both in .308. One shot around .50" groups right outta the box, but the other was impossible to hit a 36" target with (100 yards). The barrels looked pretty good till you did a serious check on them. The one that would not shoot had a bore that was way off center in the middle, but started out and finished on center! (he had Mike Pence check the rifle out for him). So he sent the rifle to McMillen for a new barrel and stock. Comes back almost as bad (shot 1.5" groups). So he then has Pence cut a barrel for him in 6BR, and shoots in the threes once he got the die fiasco straitened out.
gary

 

[roninflag]

my brother and hunting buddies have 20+ senderos. they all shoot less than an inch some a lot less. i would either put a krieger on it or send it back to remington

 

[Trickymissfit]

my brother and hunting buddies have 20+ senderos. they all shoot less than an inch some a lot less. i would either put a krieger on it or send it back to remington

I think it's a complete waste of hard earned money to put a Krieger barrel on a Sendero. I'd simply pack the gun up and send it to Pacnor for a new barrel, and save about a hundred fifty dollars. This is not a bench gun, but a hunting rifle. So you just don't need that quality of a barrel (and Pacnors do shoot very well)
gary

 

[Boss Hoss]

I think it's a complete waste of hard earned money to put a Krieger barrel on a Sendero. I'd simply pack the gun up and send it to Pacnor for a new barrel, and save about a hundred fifty dollars. This is not a bench gun, but a hunting rifle. So you just don't need that quality of a barrel (and Pacnors do shoot very well)
gary

That is one of the most ignorant statements I have ever seen made on this site. You are making way too many assumptions and obviously not speaking from experience.

That is the problem with internet advice--all you need is a keyboard.

 

[Trickymissfit]

That is one of the most ignorant statements I have ever seen made on this site. You are making way too many assumptions and obviously not speaking from experience.

That is the problem with internet advice--all you need is a keyboard.

looking at the source of this post the only thing I can do is laugh
glt

 

[Boss Hoss]

looking at the source of this post the only thing I can do is laugh
glt

How many State 1K Championships have you won and how many HOF Points do you have???

What brand of Incontinence Supplies do you use---THAT is a subject that you can speak on with Authority!