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At what point are you done with load development?
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<blockquote data-quote="The Crusty Deary Ol Coot" data-source="post: 1556954" data-attributes="member: 89876"><p>Interesting thread! And clearly some folk are, in my opinion over the top in this area.</p><p></p><p>Less then ten years ago, I bought a new RUGER American 30/06 for a loaner rifle and surprisingly with the first test series I was done. Great group that would take anything out to the reasonable range of such a rifle, given someone good behind the trigger. Sub inch group.</p><p></p><p>But then there is my 45/70, a RUGER #1 that in my hands IS AND WILL BE a cast bullet rifle. While I love MOA groups or better, what is the point? No matter what I do. no mater how good the group, the reasonable hunting range for this cartridge is being maxed out somewhere around 200yds. While I'd like MOA or smaller groups, in reality they weren't needed to take a pile of deer and three elk, the most distant - 161yds. 465gr Wide Flat Nose cast at 1650fps.</p><p></p><p>With my RUGER 77/44, also in my hands a cast bullet rifle, and it reasonably maxing out somewhere close to 125 yds., well again I'd love MOA groups but in reality what is the point. 2017 season two deer taken, both dead where they stood with a Wide Flat Nose cast bullet of 275gr at 1750fps.</p><p></p><p>I know that the "thing" today is taking game at extended ranges, but in reality just how many times and places is that a reasonable endeavor? Just how many of us are that good or hunt in places/conditions where such shots are ethically reasonable?</p><p></p><p>I have no problem with someone striving for the best accuracy possible, but in a hunting reality is it needed?</p><p></p><p>Far more important is a rifle that provides reasonably good accuracy and yes I like MOA of less, but more importantly is 1st shot consistent, meaning it can be depended on to place that first shot at the point of aim. </p><p></p><p>Will likely get some stones thrown my way for this post, but at almost 76 years old I've been around the block a few times, won't be making anymore on foot trips into canyon country and it has been many years since I successfully made that one shot kill on a mule deer at 500yds. RUGER #1 - 7mm mag with a 160gr Nosler partition.</p><p></p><p>Today I own a RUGER 300 Win Mag Hawkeye that nicely exceeds the accuracy of that long ago 7mm mag., the 300 shooting a 165gr Nosler Partition at 3318fps. But I still won't being having any need for taking a game shot at extended distances and the joy of having that rifle is not in the taking of such a shot, but that I could.</p><p></p><p>Crusty Deary Ol'Coot</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="The Crusty Deary Ol Coot, post: 1556954, member: 89876"] Interesting thread! And clearly some folk are, in my opinion over the top in this area. Less then ten years ago, I bought a new RUGER American 30/06 for a loaner rifle and surprisingly with the first test series I was done. Great group that would take anything out to the reasonable range of such a rifle, given someone good behind the trigger. Sub inch group. But then there is my 45/70, a RUGER #1 that in my hands IS AND WILL BE a cast bullet rifle. While I love MOA groups or better, what is the point? No matter what I do. no mater how good the group, the reasonable hunting range for this cartridge is being maxed out somewhere around 200yds. While I'd like MOA or smaller groups, in reality they weren't needed to take a pile of deer and three elk, the most distant - 161yds. 465gr Wide Flat Nose cast at 1650fps. With my RUGER 77/44, also in my hands a cast bullet rifle, and it reasonably maxing out somewhere close to 125 yds., well again I'd love MOA groups but in reality what is the point. 2017 season two deer taken, both dead where they stood with a Wide Flat Nose cast bullet of 275gr at 1750fps. I know that the "thing" today is taking game at extended ranges, but in reality just how many times and places is that a reasonable endeavor? Just how many of us are that good or hunt in places/conditions where such shots are ethically reasonable? I have no problem with someone striving for the best accuracy possible, but in a hunting reality is it needed? Far more important is a rifle that provides reasonably good accuracy and yes I like MOA of less, but more importantly is 1st shot consistent, meaning it can be depended on to place that first shot at the point of aim. Will likely get some stones thrown my way for this post, but at almost 76 years old I've been around the block a few times, won't be making anymore on foot trips into canyon country and it has been many years since I successfully made that one shot kill on a mule deer at 500yds. RUGER #1 - 7mm mag with a 160gr Nosler partition. Today I own a RUGER 300 Win Mag Hawkeye that nicely exceeds the accuracy of that long ago 7mm mag., the 300 shooting a 165gr Nosler Partition at 3318fps. But I still won't being having any need for taking a game shot at extended distances and the joy of having that rifle is not in the taking of such a shot, but that I could. Crusty Deary Ol'Coot [/QUOTE]
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