At the end of my noose

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Wby vanguard deluxe 338win. When I got the rifle 6 years ago. Did load development with 230eldx hybrid 100v. Shot well under 1moa. Loaded up bunch. Fast forward to 3 years ago. Took it apart to clean. Found the stock had cracked. For recoil lug back to cross bolt. After searching for a year for a correct replacement no luck. (Barrel channel list as #2 but that fat 338 is more like a #3.) So I picked up a deluxe stock and sanded it out to fit. In doing so I ended up floating it. Shot like crap. Stripped and rebedded action. Fits like glove. Shoots like crap 3moa. Added pressure to Barrel 3 businesses cards thick shoots like crap. Sanded back out. Started seating depth test. All of the rounds I had loaded previously were 10k off lands. Cleaned barrel then did 3 Shot depth changes 15, 20, 20, 25 all the way to book spec Shot horrible shoot consistent bad 2moa at best. Changed powder to 7828ssc did a quick 2 Shot load development at 20k off lands 2moa+. Picked up a box of 180 accubonds Did load development with h4350 20k off lands. Shot bad but not as bad. Took the best group. Did seating depth test. 5k- book speck. Got one group that looked promising. Could not get it to repeat. Same lots of powder same sleeve of primers 215 same old stock r&p brass. Changed brass to new win and primers to cci250. No change.
I have taken rifle apart inspected everything. Re torque action. Pulled scope re torque rail screws picked up new vx3 3.5-10x50 scope mounted tq rings to spec. Even pulled the new scope put it on a different rifle and it works as it should. I'm at end of my rope help. I did notice there was a tight spot when I was checking float. Pulled stock found it'd the swivel stud. Could it be hitting and screwing up the harmonics? Don't see any marks on barrel. Time to rebarrel????
 
I believe Whby would stand behind that stock.....
I dont believe bedding is your problem....
What can happen in reloads is electrolysis.... brass to copper adhesion....
Load up some fresh rounds with new brass.....
Do you have a bore scope....????
How clean is barrel.....????
 
I believe Whby would stand behind that stock.....
I dont believe bedding is your problem....
What can happen in reloads is electrolysis.... brass to copper adhesion....
Load up some fresh rounds with new brass.....
Do you have a bore scope....????
How clean is barrel.....????
I already did try new brass and bullets primers and 2 different powders.
 
Have you left clearance under the recoil lug? Most times when this detail is left out, it screws with barrel/action harmonics.
It results in a different vibration at each shot.
Have you checked action screw torque? This may also be a contributing factor.

Cheers.
I may grind out the bedding and bed it again. Strews are torqued to 35 inch pound per wby.
 
I believe Whby would stand behind that stock.....
I dont believe bedding is your problem....
What can happen in reloads is electrolysis.... brass to copper adhesion....
Load up some fresh rounds with new brass.....
Do you have a bore scope....????
How clean is barrel.....????
I do not have a bore scope. I cleaned the barrel when I started the load development with the accubonds.
 
4 things already mentioned I'll emphasise. Make sure recoil lug is clear on bottom. Check crown. Try MORE torque on front action screw.
With those 3 said, the FIRST thing I'd try is an ABSOLUTE bore cleaning. Like use a whatever copper cleaner you can get your hands on and clean until patches show absolutely no fouling in barrel at all.
I bought a used Ruger #1 in 300 Wby about 15 years ago. Gun had no marks on it and seller said gun shot "fine". Well I don't know how truthful he was being because when I went over things prior to first range trip, he scope mounting screws were just hand tight at best. I replaced that scope with a proven scope of mine at the time. The bore looked clean but I went ahead and ran a few wet and dry swabs of whatever bore cleaner I had on the shelf then thru the bore, they looked clean, so I took a box of factory Wby 165 TSX ammo to the range w/me and proceeded. Got rifle zeroed and shot 3 groups at 100 yards that averaged about 3.5". I was disgusted. Scratched my head for a bit then thought but couldn't hurt to use copper cleaner in bore. Used a combo of Hoopes and Barnes CR10 and patches actually came out VERY blue at first and I cleaned until they were white. Next 3 groups averaged 5/8" and all I did was clean copper from bore. Rifle ended up shooting several hand loads as accurately or more than that factory stuff.
It was a MAJOR eye opener for me. It was truly like magic happened right in front of my eyes.
 
Sorry about some of the nonsensical words and such in my last post. Cell phone buttons seem REALLY SMALL this AM. To be clear, when I first cleaned rifle before range trip I only used a standard bore cleaner. Not a copper cleaner
 

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