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AR15/10 Rifles
AR 15 pistol 300 BO no good
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<blockquote data-quote="RT2506" data-source="post: 1516861" data-attributes="member: 10178"><p>I have had many that did not bleed even with exits and I have shot them with about everything from a sharp stick through a 45-70. If you destroy the pump there is no pressure to push the blood out. The best example of no blood and a HUGE exit was the first time I shot a deer with a 155 Berger VLD. I was shooting my 30x47 rifle pushing the bullet 2600 fps. Deer was a 120ish LB doe at 111 yards standing almost broad side in the main crossing of the shooting lane between two cut overs I was hunting on. I placed the bullet in the center of the shoulder but the deer squatted and took off like a race horse into the THICK jungle of a cut over. I went to where the deer was standing at the shot and on what was the off side it looked like you had put some lung tissue and blood in a blender and filled a quart jar and just slung it down the path. From that spot on there was not a drop of blood to be found. The cut over was so thick that the only way into it would have been a deer trail. I had to get down on my hands and knees and crawl up that trail all the time looking for any blood and there was not a drop. I crawled between 50 and 60 yards up the trail and found the deer dead. There was blood where it fell because there was an exit hole so large that I could have dropped a baseball into it and it would not have even touched the hide. The chest cavity sloshed. It looked like everything had been put in a blender. The exit hole was just at the back edge of the off side shoulder and was facing up but some of the blood had splashed out when it fell. I have heart shot lots of deer with numerous calibers and bullets and had exits and they left no blood trail and I have lost some of them because it is just so thick where I hunt that you would have to step on them to find them. That is the reason that most of the time I carefully take a high shoulder shot to drop them in their tracks. There is not that much real meat on the front shoulders after you get through all that plastic like stuff anyway. Rather have the hams and back strap than nothing. As for bullets for a Grendel pistol the Nosler 129 long range accubond is probably the best bullet out there but again it is a hand loading deal. Probably best short barrel factory ammo would be one of the Hornady 123 gr either the SST or ELD-M. I have not shot any of the ELD-M in my rifles but I could not get the 123 SST factory or any hand load with this bullet to shoot better than 1 1/2" in either of my rifles that shoot sub MOA with other bullets. But for a sneaking around the swamp 50 yards or so shot that accuracy would be fine. I have killed lots of deer with 6.5 cal rifles but they have been 6.5x55 up through 264 Win mag. The only kill with a 6.5 Grendel is because this season was the first time I ever used one and I only saw one deer in 2 1/2 weeks. I discovered after making the 300 mile trip and hunting for about a week that there were NO DEER. Black tongue disease had hit my area HARD. That one deer was a doe that I shot for the meat on about the 3rd day before I discovered there were hardly any other deer left. 120 Speer Gold Dot at 2550 fps to the chest at 111 yards as the deer was facing me DRT. Looked like a hand grenade was set off in it's chest from the hydrostatic effect but bullet held together traveling on through the gut and exiting with a thumb size hole out the belly about 6 inches in front of the crotch. I could not believe the hydrostatic effect of this bullet. It pulped the heart and lungs and broke the first 2 or 3 ribs on both sides and also broke the left scapula in half, left leg just flapped. I have seen gel test with the 62 and 77 gr .224 bullets and it seems that this 120 .264 acts the same way. Bullet expands completely with 5 peddles upon impact and blows a HUGE hydrostatic effect for 6 or 7 inches but bullet holds together and penetrates 16 to 18 inches. Seems like that is exactly what it did in my deer.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="RT2506, post: 1516861, member: 10178"] I have had many that did not bleed even with exits and I have shot them with about everything from a sharp stick through a 45-70. If you destroy the pump there is no pressure to push the blood out. The best example of no blood and a HUGE exit was the first time I shot a deer with a 155 Berger VLD. I was shooting my 30x47 rifle pushing the bullet 2600 fps. Deer was a 120ish LB doe at 111 yards standing almost broad side in the main crossing of the shooting lane between two cut overs I was hunting on. I placed the bullet in the center of the shoulder but the deer squatted and took off like a race horse into the THICK jungle of a cut over. I went to where the deer was standing at the shot and on what was the off side it looked like you had put some lung tissue and blood in a blender and filled a quart jar and just slung it down the path. From that spot on there was not a drop of blood to be found. The cut over was so thick that the only way into it would have been a deer trail. I had to get down on my hands and knees and crawl up that trail all the time looking for any blood and there was not a drop. I crawled between 50 and 60 yards up the trail and found the deer dead. There was blood where it fell because there was an exit hole so large that I could have dropped a baseball into it and it would not have even touched the hide. The chest cavity sloshed. It looked like everything had been put in a blender. The exit hole was just at the back edge of the off side shoulder and was facing up but some of the blood had splashed out when it fell. I have heart shot lots of deer with numerous calibers and bullets and had exits and they left no blood trail and I have lost some of them because it is just so thick where I hunt that you would have to step on them to find them. That is the reason that most of the time I carefully take a high shoulder shot to drop them in their tracks. There is not that much real meat on the front shoulders after you get through all that plastic like stuff anyway. Rather have the hams and back strap than nothing. As for bullets for a Grendel pistol the Nosler 129 long range accubond is probably the best bullet out there but again it is a hand loading deal. Probably best short barrel factory ammo would be one of the Hornady 123 gr either the SST or ELD-M. I have not shot any of the ELD-M in my rifles but I could not get the 123 SST factory or any hand load with this bullet to shoot better than 1 1/2" in either of my rifles that shoot sub MOA with other bullets. But for a sneaking around the swamp 50 yards or so shot that accuracy would be fine. I have killed lots of deer with 6.5 cal rifles but they have been 6.5x55 up through 264 Win mag. The only kill with a 6.5 Grendel is because this season was the first time I ever used one and I only saw one deer in 2 1/2 weeks. I discovered after making the 300 mile trip and hunting for about a week that there were NO DEER. Black tongue disease had hit my area HARD. That one deer was a doe that I shot for the meat on about the 3rd day before I discovered there were hardly any other deer left. 120 Speer Gold Dot at 2550 fps to the chest at 111 yards as the deer was facing me DRT. Looked like a hand grenade was set off in it's chest from the hydrostatic effect but bullet held together traveling on through the gut and exiting with a thumb size hole out the belly about 6 inches in front of the crotch. I could not believe the hydrostatic effect of this bullet. It pulped the heart and lungs and broke the first 2 or 3 ribs on both sides and also broke the left scapula in half, left leg just flapped. I have seen gel test with the 62 and 77 gr .224 bullets and it seems that this 120 .264 acts the same way. Bullet expands completely with 5 peddles upon impact and blows a HUGE hydrostatic effect for 6 or 7 inches but bullet holds together and penetrates 16 to 18 inches. Seems like that is exactly what it did in my deer. [/QUOTE]
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