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<blockquote data-quote="jmden" data-source="post: 501932" data-attributes="member: 1742"><p>I think the Lows, due to their sole design/construction, would potentially be better off trail in steeper, more technical terrain. They are made more like a mountaineering boot as that is Lowa's roots. I've got a pair of Lowas plastic mountaineering boots for technical snow/ice climbing that are a great boot. But back to the 'more like a mountaineering boot' comment... You'll see that the Danner Raptors use a stitch down construction to attach the upper to the lower (sole) on the boot. Yes, this can be rebuilt, but it also necessarily results in a wider foot print, with the edge of the sole 'unsupported', in a sense, that is, without your foot directly above the edge of the sole, as is the case in the Lowas and other similar designs. In the Danner, this creates a bit of a lever arm working against you if you are doing some steep side-hilling or on more technical terrain where it becomes important to put the very edge of your boot somewhere and have it stay there. </p><p></p><p>The Lowa will do this much better than the Danner. I'm probably totally butchering this description, but if you have tried a few differnent types of boots in techinical terrain, this feature stands out quickly. There's a reason that rock shoes (rock climbing shoes--I've gone through several pair) have a very tight fitting design with the edge of the sole very will supported by your foot--so you can fit that sole on the tinniest of ledges/hold on the rock and get a good purchase and put a substantial amount of your weight on a 1/8" (not a misprint) or less wide ledge. You wouldn't have a chance of doing that with the Danner's but the Lowas, you would have amuch better chance. So steep, rocky (and snowy) off trail work would probaably go better in the Lowas for that reason, but...</p><p></p><p>What I don't know about the Lowa's bowhunter mentions is the stiffness of the boot...basically, what length and material is used for the shank. If they are a really stiff boot, like the Kenetreks, which are designed to accept 'step-in' crampons, then the Danner's will wind hands down for just basic ease of walking on trails. A very stiff boot is not that much fun compared to a relatively less stiff boot for trail work and, say, up to about 20 deg slopes. In slopes about that and steeper than that, n general, depending on the type of terrain, the stiffer boot will start to shine as it will 'edge' better, espcecially in softer terrain like summer/fall snow slopes. </p><p></p><p>If you come from a mountaineering background with a fair amount of experience there, these things are considered routinely in the boot selection for kind the climb you are going on (I'm not sure how many pairs of mountaineering boots I own...) knowing full well that, like everything, every boot design is a compromise and no perfect do all boot exists. I'm not sure how much the 'average hunter' (whatever that means...) considers this stuff as I don't know alot of hunters and this type of discussion on the nuances of boot construction hasn't come up. Hope I didn't just make things more confusing.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="jmden, post: 501932, member: 1742"] I think the Lows, due to their sole design/construction, would potentially be better off trail in steeper, more technical terrain. They are made more like a mountaineering boot as that is Lowa's roots. I've got a pair of Lowas plastic mountaineering boots for technical snow/ice climbing that are a great boot. But back to the 'more like a mountaineering boot' comment... You'll see that the Danner Raptors use a stitch down construction to attach the upper to the lower (sole) on the boot. Yes, this can be rebuilt, but it also necessarily results in a wider foot print, with the edge of the sole 'unsupported', in a sense, that is, without your foot directly above the edge of the sole, as is the case in the Lowas and other similar designs. In the Danner, this creates a bit of a lever arm working against you if you are doing some steep side-hilling or on more technical terrain where it becomes important to put the very edge of your boot somewhere and have it stay there. The Lowa will do this much better than the Danner. I'm probably totally butchering this description, but if you have tried a few differnent types of boots in techinical terrain, this feature stands out quickly. There's a reason that rock shoes (rock climbing shoes--I've gone through several pair) have a very tight fitting design with the edge of the sole very will supported by your foot--so you can fit that sole on the tinniest of ledges/hold on the rock and get a good purchase and put a substantial amount of your weight on a 1/8" (not a misprint) or less wide ledge. You wouldn't have a chance of doing that with the Danner's but the Lowas, you would have amuch better chance. So steep, rocky (and snowy) off trail work would probaably go better in the Lowas for that reason, but... What I don't know about the Lowa's bowhunter mentions is the stiffness of the boot...basically, what length and material is used for the shank. If they are a really stiff boot, like the Kenetreks, which are designed to accept 'step-in' crampons, then the Danner's will wind hands down for just basic ease of walking on trails. A very stiff boot is not that much fun compared to a relatively less stiff boot for trail work and, say, up to about 20 deg slopes. In slopes about that and steeper than that, n general, depending on the type of terrain, the stiffer boot will start to shine as it will 'edge' better, espcecially in softer terrain like summer/fall snow slopes. If you come from a mountaineering background with a fair amount of experience there, these things are considered routinely in the boot selection for kind the climb you are going on (I'm not sure how many pairs of mountaineering boots I own...) knowing full well that, like everything, every boot design is a compromise and no perfect do all boot exists. I'm not sure how much the 'average hunter' (whatever that means...) considers this stuff as I don't know alot of hunters and this type of discussion on the nuances of boot construction hasn't come up. Hope I didn't just make things more confusing. [/QUOTE]
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