7mm Rem Mag

[MudRunner2005]

Thanks Dick. It just gets frustrating with all the caliber supporters jumping in on 1 bandwagon and almost bullying folks, and running their mouths about things they have no clue about. Someone asks, I make my suggestion. They ask more questions, I give more info... If they don't, I stop. But some people just talk just to hear themselves talk....Like pushing a caliber on someone who isn't interested in it.

That would be like trying to push a 6.5 Carcano on me or an Arisaka.....I would tell you no, simply b/c I have ZERO interest in it.

Do I hate the 300 WM, by no means. I reload 300 WM all the time for my buddy who has one. I've develeped some serious loads for his gun. Do I have any interest in owning one myself.......Nope, not in the least. But I'll never say it's a crappy caliber, b/c that simply isn't true.

 

[MontanaRifleman]

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QUOTE=Dick Tinsley;777122] You!!! Sir say its better!! To each his own!! Just because you say it's better, doesn't meen it is!! That's the choice an The Right of the individual, whoever it may be!! The OP said earlier that he had made up his mind on what caliber he wants!!! Why are you sir still trying to change his mind?????
Now!!! That Sums It Up!!!!

[/QUOTE]

Guess you haven't been reading my posts very well.

First, I'm not trying to change his mind. He made his decision and that's fine by me.

I'm not gonna say that the 300WM is better! I'm not gonna say that it is not better!

So you're going to sit on a fence? What we have here is a case of subjectivity vs objectivity. The OP or anyone else has a choice, but that does not mean they choose the best tool for the job. He had his reasons for his choice which I respect Sir. But it doesn't make it the best choice for the job.

By you're above reasoning, the 270 WSM is just as good for shooting elk @ 1000 yds as is a 7RM... correct? There is less difference between a 270 WSM shooting a 165 Matrix to a 7RM than there is between a 7 and a 300. Therefore since the 300 WM is no better than the 7 because it's bigger, neither is better than the 270 WSM. Heck, let's not stop there, not much diff between a 6.5 WSM and a 270 WSM, there fore the 6.5 is just as good as the 300.

I'm not trying to change the OP's mind about his choice, I'm just throwing the BS flag about the BS that a 7RM is as good a LR killer as a 300 which is total BS.

And Mudrunner, The 300 WM is not my baby. I have a 300 WSM and 300 RUM and prefer them over the WM. I also have a 7RM.

 

[MontanaRifleman]

Thanks Dick. It just gets frustrating with all the caliber supporters jumping in on 1 bandwagon and almost bullying folks, and running their mouths about things they have no clue about. .

Mudrunner, that's total BS.... no fan club here, just objectivity. the 300 WM is not my first choice of cartridges or of 308's...

 

[MudRunner2005]

So you're going to sit on a fence? What we have here is a case of subjectivity vs objectivity. The OP or anyone else has a choice, but that does not mean they choose the best tool for the job. He had his reasons for his choice which I respect Sir. But it doesn't make it the best choice for the job.

By you're above reasoning, the 270 WSM is just as good for shooting elk @ 1000 yds as is a 7RM... correct? There is less difference between a 270 WSM shooting a 165 Matrix to a 7RM than there is between a 7 and a 300. Therefore since the 300 WM is no better than the 7 because it's bigger, neither is better than the 270 WSM. Heck, let's not stop there, not much diff between a 6.5 WSM and a 270 WSM, there fore the 6.5 is just as good as the 300.

I'm not trying to change the OP's mind about his choice, I'm just throwing the BS flag about the BS that a 7RM is as good a LR killer as a 300 which is total BS.

And Mudrunner, The 300 WM is not my baby. I have a 300 WSM and 300 RUM and prefer them over the WM. I also have a 7RM.

So, you're saying you know what's better for him, and what he WANTS, better than he does?

 

[MudRunner2005]

Mudrunner, that's total BS.... no fan club here, just objectivity. the 300 WM is not my first choice of cartridges or of 308's...

I don't recall ever mentioning anyone's name specifically in the entire length of the post?

I was doing this thing called generalizing. So, why take it personal? I never said I was talking to or referring to you or anything you have said in this thread.

I also didn't mention any caliber either...

 

[MontanaRifleman]

So, you're saying you know what's better for him, and what he WANTS, better than he does?

You have a reading comprehension problem

 

[Dick Tinsley]

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Guess you haven't been reading my posts very well.

First, I'm not trying to change his mind. He made his decision and that's fine by me.



So you're going to sit on a fence? What we have here is a case of subjectivity vs objectivity. The OP or anyone else has a choice, but that does not mean they choose the best tool for the job. He had his reasons for his choice which I respect Sir. But it doesn't make it the best choice for the job.

By you're above reasoning, the 270 WSM is just as good for shooting elk @ 1000 yds as is a 7RM... correct? There is less difference between a 270 WSM shooting a 165 Matrix to a 7RM than there is between a 7 and a 300. Therefore since the 300 WM is no better than the 7 because it's bigger, neither is better than the 270 WSM. Heck, let's not stop there, not much diff between a 6.5 WSM and a 270 WSM, there fore the 6.5 is just as good as the 300.

I'm not trying to change the OP's mind about his choice, I'm just throwing the BS flag about the BS that a 7RM is as good a LR killer as a 300 which is total BS.

And Mudrunner, The 300 WM is not my baby. I have a 300 WSM and 300 RUM and prefer them over the WM. I also have a 7RM.[/QUOTE]

Talkin about BS!!! Aparently You sir have not read my posts like you should have! I have already givin my input on the 7 mag!! I, for one, love it! I have not been on the fence about nothing! I have never said anything negitive about the 300wm!!(go back an read my posts)!! This tread is about a gentleman wanting to get a caliber that he likes an can familiarize his self with!!! He made his choice!!! If you sir want to ramble about other calibers( calibers that I personally think are great) then that's your right! But don't try an (1)put words in my mouth(2)push or bully others into accepting what you think is right(3)just because the OP chose another caliber to his liking doesn't meen that its not the best round up to the yardage that he is gonna use it for!! Just because he made a differant choice other than yours, doesn't meen he's wrong!! Bottom Line!!!! Quit Pushing Yourself On Others!!!

 

[MudRunner2005]

Actually I excelled at all aspects of academia on quite an excellerated level. I have no comprehension problems, I can assure you.

However, just for a little fun demonstration, I went back and edited my post so you can see what I was referring to.

You are saying that he has a choice. He chooses A. You think he should choose B. He chooses A, which he feels is best for him, and you do not agree with his choice. Which means, you think he has made the wrong choice...Correct? Ergo, you feel like you knew what was best for him.

Shall I continue with examples?

 

[MontanaRifleman]

Talkin about BS!!! Aparently You sir have not read my posts like you should have! I have already givin my input on the 7 mag!! I, for one, love it! I have not been on the fence about nothing! I have never said anything negitive about the 300wm!!(go back an read my posts)!! This tread is about a gentleman wanting to get a caliber that he likes an can familiarize his self with!!! He made his choice!!! If you sir want to ramble about other calibers( calibers that I personally think are great) then that's your right! But don't try an (1)put words in my mouth(2)push or bully others into accepting what you think is right(3)just because the OP chose another caliber to his liking doesn't meen that its not the best round up to the yardage that he is gonna use it for!! Just because he made a differant choice other than yours, doesn't meen he's wrong!! Bottom Line!!!! Quit Pushing Yourself On Others!!!

You Sir, also have a reading comprehension problem. I am pushing my self on no one. The OP made a choice and I respect it as I have already said. It just wasn't within the parameters of the OP's question which mentioned nothing about recoil and muzzle brakes. If he feels he's better off without a muzzle brake for whatever reason, fine.

Good day

 

[Dick Tinsley]

You Sir, also have a reading comprehension problem. I am pushing my self on no one. The OP made a choice and I respect it as I have already said. It just wasn't within the parameters of the OP's question which mentioned nothing about recoil and muzzle brakes. If he feels he's better off without a muzzle brake for whatever reason, fine.

Good day

Guess everybody has a reading comprehension problem, according to you! I guess that's what people like you say to those that don't agree with you!! Kinda like a little boy in the sand box, if people don't play by your rules or have a differant opinion, then you want to kick sand, holler, an take your toys an go home! If someone makes a differant choice,so be it! The OP is askin for advice, not what You think he should have!

DT

 

[MontanaRifleman]

The OP is askin for advice, not what You think he should have!

DT

Show me one place where I said "what he should have", just one.

Like I said, reading comprehension

 

[MontanaRifleman]

Show me one place where I said "what he should have", just one.

Like I said, reading comprehension

While you're at it, please outline for us, the parameters of the Original Post....

Thanks

 

[Beelzebub]

I'm just a NW FL boy with webbed toes. There is nothing in the SE USA that I can't quickly dispatch with a well placed shot from my 243.

I don't know the OP but if he is truley and seriously asking this question in earnest....NEITHER will be adequate for ALL N American big game animals.

He asked a question with only two possible answers; 7RM or 300WM. How come none of the famous LR folks on here didn't point out that there are so many variables that at times not even the 300 RUM would be adequate in the hands of skilled shooters.

For example, let's shoot a prarie goat at 1000 yards standing in a 10,000 acre "spot". He definately isn't a danger to you whether you completely miss or wound him and juss **** him off. Even if he came at you in a dead run how many shots could you get off at him before you could end his rabid charge? Probably about as many with a braked 338 Lapua as an unbraked 243. So in this instance, calibler is of very little significance.

Now, let's go caribou hunting up in Alaska. I've just dropped the new world record caribou with my 7RM and after much chest thumping my guide and I and 14 pack horses and 2 camera men are on our way to claim ,my new trophy and once again prove that the 7RM is more than adequate out to 1000 yards. Some where, any where, between the grassy knoll and where the trophy is down you happen to bump into another world record. Except this time it isn't a caribou, nor a moose but a huge, ****ed off grizzly boar that has just been awakend from his sleep by a loud noise and now choking on the stinch of human. He gives no warning, just the woof woof and then in an instance he is about to pop your skull. Your guide has a 10 guage with slugs in it and quickly raises it to shoot the bear and save your trophy shootin life......Mr. Guns and Ammo staff writer....... but the factory rep that has accompanied (paid for your whole adventure) you says WAIT! The camera is running, we can't shoot this bear with anything other than our 7RM.

POP ! ! !

 

[dakor]

The OP, being a novice shooter, is NOT John Burns.... hell why stop there? Lets give German Salazar a call... or better yet, lets call David Tubb. You sir are comparing apples to oranges.

What does that have to do with anything? Are you saying that the laws of internal performance to do not apply to John because he is such a good shooter he can hit his mark? The OP is a novice and worried about recoil that is the whole point of going with a 7mm mag. Do you or have you ever owned the exact same rifle in both a 300 win and a 7mm and I mean exact down to the scope? I have and I can tell you the 300 win kicks more and I noticed it and I am not recoil shy at all. 210 Berger's had noticeable more recoil than the 7mm mag shooting 168 or 180 Berger's. There is no difference between the two as on game performance that I have seen some things work better than on paper the 7mm mag is one of those things and so is a 6.5-284. I have seen the internal performance and both are equal in my mind.

MontanaRifleman,

You wanted to get into a measuring contest with your 300 RUM comments and comparing it to a 7mm mag so that is why you got the comment on the 300 rum. As for recoil the 300 rum is not bad and pretty mild compared to some. Yes I would recommend the 7mm mag for 1000 yard Elk and same with the 300 Win and they both stop there unless you are over 9000ft you might get 1200 out of either. I am also going to state a 7mm STW is better than either of the two.