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6.5 prc ackley improved thoughts
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<blockquote data-quote="Fiftydriver" data-source="post: 2672716" data-attributes="member: 10"><p>As do all my rifles offer that same level of confidence out to well past the 1/2 mile range with my light rifles. Any rifle that will hold 1/2 moa at long distance will offer this level of confidence as long as the shooter puts the time in to know his system, have an accurate drop chart that is proven and varified over a wide variaty of conditions. The actual chambering is important but not nearly as important as the practice time proving the rifle and setting it up correctly.</p><p></p><p>a 538 yard shot is a good shot no doubt but a rifle that holds 1/2 moa will place that first shot basically within an inch of point of aim. That is what i hold my rifles to but not at 100 yards, at 800 yards for my light rifles and 1000 minimum with my heavier Raptor rifles. That means at 1000 yards, the ability to place that first shot within 2.5" of point of aim….. not sure why your 1/2 moa is different then my 1/2 moa as far as confidence building.</p><p></p><p>then lets add on another variable, wind, wind is the killer for making shot placement at long range. If we are shooting at 800 yards and you misjudge the wind drift by 30% with your rounds and i do the same with my 7mm Allen Mag driving a 195 gr berger to 3400 fps, who has the most margin of error to make wind errors yet still land solidly on the vitals? Your PRC improved will not hold a candle to my 7mm AM in the wind, or when errors in wind speed and direction estimates are made and they happen ALL THE TIME. Even the best wind readers in the world never nail it cold. This is one of the main design goals of my wildcats, eat the wind. The best in the prc improved class will have 30% more drift then my 7mm AM at 800 to 1000 yards and only grow past that. Now i am sure you will say this is meaningless….. but we never just the wind dead on unless its absolutely calm.</p><p></p><p>always get a kick out of the guys that say there is no need for anythinf but their smaller sized rifles for long range shooting. Well, for sub 600 yard shooting i would fully agree but then that is mid range shooting if conditions are good, long range starts at 1/2 mile for me most times in good conditions. In bad conditions it can be much less but in bad conditons my 7mm AM will shine even brighter to the point i decide its not worth taking a shot.</p><p></p><p>anyway, need to get back on topic and my point to that was i believe improving a prc is not worth the effort…. Sorry to the OP for the side track. Need to be done derailing the original topic, my apologies</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Fiftydriver, post: 2672716, member: 10"] As do all my rifles offer that same level of confidence out to well past the 1/2 mile range with my light rifles. Any rifle that will hold 1/2 moa at long distance will offer this level of confidence as long as the shooter puts the time in to know his system, have an accurate drop chart that is proven and varified over a wide variaty of conditions. The actual chambering is important but not nearly as important as the practice time proving the rifle and setting it up correctly. a 538 yard shot is a good shot no doubt but a rifle that holds 1/2 moa will place that first shot basically within an inch of point of aim. That is what i hold my rifles to but not at 100 yards, at 800 yards for my light rifles and 1000 minimum with my heavier Raptor rifles. That means at 1000 yards, the ability to place that first shot within 2.5” of point of aim….. not sure why your 1/2 moa is different then my 1/2 moa as far as confidence building. then lets add on another variable, wind, wind is the killer for making shot placement at long range. If we are shooting at 800 yards and you misjudge the wind drift by 30% with your rounds and i do the same with my 7mm Allen Mag driving a 195 gr berger to 3400 fps, who has the most margin of error to make wind errors yet still land solidly on the vitals? Your PRC improved will not hold a candle to my 7mm AM in the wind, or when errors in wind speed and direction estimates are made and they happen ALL THE TIME. Even the best wind readers in the world never nail it cold. This is one of the main design goals of my wildcats, eat the wind. The best in the prc improved class will have 30% more drift then my 7mm AM at 800 to 1000 yards and only grow past that. Now i am sure you will say this is meaningless….. but we never just the wind dead on unless its absolutely calm. always get a kick out of the guys that say there is no need for anythinf but their smaller sized rifles for long range shooting. Well, for sub 600 yard shooting i would fully agree but then that is mid range shooting if conditions are good, long range starts at 1/2 mile for me most times in good conditions. In bad conditions it can be much less but in bad conditons my 7mm AM will shine even brighter to the point i decide its not worth taking a shot. anyway, need to get back on topic and my point to that was i believe improving a prc is not worth the effort…. Sorry to the OP for the side track. Need to be done derailing the original topic, my apologies [/QUOTE]
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