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6.5 140 Partition on Griz.
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<blockquote data-quote="Hand Skills" data-source="post: 2882591" data-attributes="member: 103303"><p>Cheers Doug, and I agree with you. Speed and energy can be leveraged to good effect, but push a particular bullet beyond its limits and 'dramatic' can go either way <img class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" alt="😬" title="Grimacing face :grimacing:" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f62c.png" data-shortname=":grimacing:" /></p><p> </p><p>Interesting that a 12ga slug at ~1500fps (less than 2500ft-lbs) is the most popular choice for defensive encounters with Ursus up here in Canada. Often followed up with buckshot (which offers only <em>slightly</em> more forgiveness to #1 Shot Placement.)</p><p></p><p>Not a lot of speed, not a lot of energy, but <strong>big and slow</strong> has been getting it done for generations. (Reliably I might add)</p><p></p><p>You are entitled to your opinion, of course - I am not here to argue, or change anyone's mind...</p><p></p><p>...just stating facts.</p><p></p><p>.338 and .375 are generally considered to be 'medium' bores</p><p></p><p>Impact velocity, bullet construction, size of bore, mass of bullet, <strong>gyroscopic stability, target resistance, </strong>these variables all contribute to;</p><p></p><p><strong>Bullet Performance:</strong></p><p></p><p>i.e. what the bullet actually <em>does </em>when the metal hits the meat.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You missed #2;</p><p></p><p>1. Shot Placement</p><p></p><p>2. Bullet Performance</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>It sure does. Speaking of Murphy, I know a native guy who killed a grizzly with his knife while the bear chewed on his rifle. Pretty humbling story. At close enough range even the biggest rifle is just a big stick...</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Haha, indeed. The 'Wolf' subforum is even 'better' in that regard <img class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" alt="😏" title="Smirking face :smirk:" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f60f.png" data-shortname=":smirk:" /></p><p></p><p>It's funny what stirs some people up.</p><p></p><p>The author gets to shoot a Griz every year. He's done it with a bow and arrow using a stone tip he knapped himself, flintlock and round ball... He's trying to leverage his creativity for a relevant magazine article in twenty twenty-something and</p><p></p><p><strong>He was in a tree stand.</strong></p><p></p><p> </p><p>Thanks for the reminder - time to get back to the real world <img class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" alt="🙏" title="Folded hands :pray:" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f64f.png" data-shortname=":pray:" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hand Skills, post: 2882591, member: 103303"] Cheers Doug, and I agree with you. Speed and energy can be leveraged to good effect, but push a particular bullet beyond its limits and 'dramatic' can go either way 😬 Interesting that a 12ga slug at ~1500fps (less than 2500ft-lbs) is the most popular choice for defensive encounters with Ursus up here in Canada. Often followed up with buckshot (which offers only [I]slightly[/I] more forgiveness to #1 Shot Placement.) Not a lot of speed, not a lot of energy, but [B]big and slow[/B] has been getting it done for generations. (Reliably I might add) You are entitled to your opinion, of course - I am not here to argue, or change anyone's mind... ...just stating facts. .338 and .375 are generally considered to be 'medium' bores Impact velocity, bullet construction, size of bore, mass of bullet, [B]gyroscopic stability, target resistance, [/B]these variables all contribute to; [B]Bullet Performance:[/B] i.e. what the bullet actually [I]does [/I]when the metal hits the meat. You missed #2; 1. Shot Placement 2. Bullet Performance It sure does. Speaking of Murphy, I know a native guy who killed a grizzly with his knife while the bear chewed on his rifle. Pretty humbling story. At close enough range even the biggest rifle is just a big stick... Haha, indeed. The 'Wolf' subforum is even 'better' in that regard 😏 It's funny what stirs some people up. The author gets to shoot a Griz every year. He's done it with a bow and arrow using a stone tip he knapped himself, flintlock and round ball... He's trying to leverage his creativity for a relevant magazine article in twenty twenty-something and [B]He was in a tree stand.[/B] Thanks for the reminder - time to get back to the real world 🙏 [/QUOTE]
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