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Extreme Long Range Hunting & Shooting (ELR)
338 RUM, 33 Nosler, 338 Edge, 338 Win, 338 Allen Express, or 338 Norma with 300 gr. Sierras???
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<blockquote data-quote="esshup" data-source="post: 1804148" data-attributes="member: 11101"><p>When Kirby and I discussed a long range rifle for me, the discussion turned to actions. He said that I should go with a aftermarket action, because of all the time that would have to go into a Rem 700 action to true it up, and I'd still have a rifle based on a 700 action if I were ever sell it. He said because of the labor involved, with the Rem action, the price would be about a wash. At the time I shot rifles with BAT and Nesika Bay actions and the Nesika Bay action was smoother. Personal choice here, but I agree with him, I'd go with an aftermarket action and not a Rem 700 action. </p><p></p><p>As for caliber, I wanted a rifle to hunt Pronghorn, Deer and Elk. I live at 780; elevation and wanted a lighter rifle. I had to go to Great Falls Montana for work, so I took a day vacation and made an appointment with Kirby to meet him and shoot some of his guns before I decided which one to have him build. I shot his 7mm Allen Magnum, 338 Allen Magnum and .375 Allen Magnum. He recommended a 30 caliber or larger if I was strictly going to hunt Elk with it, but since I was also going to hunt smaller critters I decided on the 7mm Allen Magnm. The gun is one of the guns in his gallery, black thumbhole stock. The gun weighs a hair under 10 pounds sans scope, bipod and ammo. Recoil with his medium painkiller brake is the same as my 6# (with scope sling and ammo) .243 that shoots 85g Barnes at 3250 fps. </p><p></p><p>When I asked him what the hunting range was on the 7mm Allen Magnum, his reply was "Since I've seen you shoot, let me put it this way. If you can see it, you can kill it." So that is what I had him build.</p><p></p><p>I've run the gun out to almost 1,400 yds in Colorado and I can stack bullets inside the same dirt crater the first bullet made. I haven't shot a lot of critters with it, there isn't that opportunity here in Indiana. But I've killed a coyote at 867 yds with a clean cold bore shot, shot a cow elk at 707 yds (DRT, 180g Berger exit hole was silver dollar sized) and at the 1,000 yd range that I shoot at the 1/2 scale woodcjuck steel target at 1,000 yds is relatively easy to hit if I read the wind correctly. </p><p></p><p>With some fine tuning of the load, this gun now is a 1/4 moa rifle. I have loads for both the 180g Berger and the 195g Berger. I do not feel that I am under gunned for bull elk at 1K. I know BuffaloBob has killed a bull with the 7mm Allen Magnum at a mile and I think it still was a pass thru shot.</p><p></p><p>But to get back to your orig question, if you had to stick with a larger caliber than 7mm for elk at 1,000 yds, why not go with the .338 Allen Magnum? </p><p>Velocity Performance:</p><p>Bullet Weight Velocity (33" barrel length)</p><p>265 gr. 3550 fps</p><p>300 gr. 3350 fps</p><p></p><p>If you want the details on my 7mm AM build, let me know and I'll post them.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="esshup, post: 1804148, member: 11101"] When Kirby and I discussed a long range rifle for me, the discussion turned to actions. He said that I should go with a aftermarket action, because of all the time that would have to go into a Rem 700 action to true it up, and I'd still have a rifle based on a 700 action if I were ever sell it. He said because of the labor involved, with the Rem action, the price would be about a wash. At the time I shot rifles with BAT and Nesika Bay actions and the Nesika Bay action was smoother. Personal choice here, but I agree with him, I'd go with an aftermarket action and not a Rem 700 action. As for caliber, I wanted a rifle to hunt Pronghorn, Deer and Elk. I live at 780; elevation and wanted a lighter rifle. I had to go to Great Falls Montana for work, so I took a day vacation and made an appointment with Kirby to meet him and shoot some of his guns before I decided which one to have him build. I shot his 7mm Allen Magnum, 338 Allen Magnum and .375 Allen Magnum. He recommended a 30 caliber or larger if I was strictly going to hunt Elk with it, but since I was also going to hunt smaller critters I decided on the 7mm Allen Magnm. The gun is one of the guns in his gallery, black thumbhole stock. The gun weighs a hair under 10 pounds sans scope, bipod and ammo. Recoil with his medium painkiller brake is the same as my 6# (with scope sling and ammo) .243 that shoots 85g Barnes at 3250 fps. When I asked him what the hunting range was on the 7mm Allen Magnum, his reply was "Since I've seen you shoot, let me put it this way. If you can see it, you can kill it." So that is what I had him build. I've run the gun out to almost 1,400 yds in Colorado and I can stack bullets inside the same dirt crater the first bullet made. I haven't shot a lot of critters with it, there isn't that opportunity here in Indiana. But I've killed a coyote at 867 yds with a clean cold bore shot, shot a cow elk at 707 yds (DRT, 180g Berger exit hole was silver dollar sized) and at the 1,000 yd range that I shoot at the 1/2 scale woodcjuck steel target at 1,000 yds is relatively easy to hit if I read the wind correctly. With some fine tuning of the load, this gun now is a 1/4 moa rifle. I have loads for both the 180g Berger and the 195g Berger. I do not feel that I am under gunned for bull elk at 1K. I know BuffaloBob has killed a bull with the 7mm Allen Magnum at a mile and I think it still was a pass thru shot. But to get back to your orig question, if you had to stick with a larger caliber than 7mm for elk at 1,000 yds, why not go with the .338 Allen Magnum? Velocity Performance: Bullet Weight Velocity (33" barrel length) 265 gr. 3550 fps 300 gr. 3350 fps If you want the details on my 7mm AM build, let me know and I'll post them. [/QUOTE]
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