338 Lapua Brass-- Advise on die set.

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Picked up a Sako TRG-S 338 Lapua a couple months ago, at that time I bought a 20 pack of Norma brass just to try the gun out. Now I'm ready to invest in 100 Lapua cases. My die set is the Hornady two die FL sizer. This is the only type of die I've ever used. Been thinking about trying a Redding Type S Bushing die. If i'm going to make a move, this is the time to do it. Wanna treat these $2.00 cases right. This is a hunting rifle, do i need to FL size or neck size only?? Should I get a set or just a size die and use my Hornady seater. Bushing size? Redding says .001-.002 for tension. Nitrate or steel bushings for half the price? Any advise will be appreciated.
 
Bearless ,

I am going to send 3 or 4 fired cases to Lee Precision and have them make me a collet neck die . The rub is that they have to use the larger die bodies ( 50 bmg ) to have sufficient strength in the die . That means you have to unscrew the threaded insert that is for the std die size and use the threads of the press . Also your press has to be large enough .

The Lee classic cast press is big enough , made in the USA , AND can be had for aroung 70 $ or less .

Thats the way I'm going and Lapua brass goes without saying .

Jim B.
 
to the man who hangs elk upside down in tree,this of course would be your Indian name /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif my vote is for a full length sizing die.even in the world of bench rest competition, most FL size their brass.for a hunting gun it's almost a must.

i took a page out of the Bart B. handbook and had my neck made to size the brass to exactly what you need and get rid of the expander ball.i'll use my 338/300 for an example.i seated 3 bullets into cases and measured the loaded round at the neck. they were .365 so i ordered a FL die from Forster with a .362 neck.this way you size and out comes brass that's very straight.this is the key to getting bullets that are very straight when fully seated.i'd measure what your necks are with some bullets seated in them, then get someone you trust on a lathe, ream the neck out of that hornady die to,i would say about 3 under with a 338, not 1-2 thousands.i would try this first before buying a set of bushing dies since you already have a set of dies.
 
I use the Redding Competition die set for my 338 Lapua.
But I would recommend the RCBS Gold Medal FL bushing die set #16605. I use the Gold Medal dies for my 30-378 and am very happy with them. With the long cases like the 338 Lapua the bullet loading window is very handy.
I doubt you will find anyone stocking them but they can be purchased directly from RCBS for $131.60.

http://www.rcbs.com/default.asp?menu=1&s1=4&s2=8&s3=140

I use coated bushings in all my bushing dies, I don't lube the necks and have had no problems.
 
Let me rephrase my post abit. Thanks guys for the input. Would like to continue using my old Rockchucker and where I live getting a die reamed out would pose a problem.
A little of subject, but I'm in western NY along the PA state line. This is a rural area, eg; its a 70 mi round trip to the grocery store, we don't have a paved road, side walks or street lights. Nearest neighbors are about 2 mi in any direction. Many days the only vehicle to pass my house is the mail man. Hunters paradise, deer in my yard so often the dogs don't bother to bark at em anymore. Good turkey pop. Bears are plentiful, in the yard, peeking in the windows, tearing the doors off my storage shed and making a mess of my apple trees. Huge bears, 500-800# monsters are taken yearly. BTW; my user name is not referring to black bears, but that's another story. About 45 min to the west is Alleghany National Forest, 100 sq mi of public land. Not perfect--no elk. Probably not what comes to mind for most when they think of NY.
Back to subject- Purchasing a die or set of dies is really no big deal at this point. Can you really get away from the expander plug, how do you deal with that new bag of brass with the case mouths all outta round. May not find that with Lapua brass, but common with Win and Rem. Would you run them over the plug and then use the bushing die. Is it necessary to turn the necks to get the full benefit of a bushing die. Next tension from what I've read is experimental, where to start--.003-.004???? Can I expect a higher quality hand load, with superior consistant accuracy?
Bad shoulder, thinking bout a lead sled. Anybody with any experience with one.
0 degrees here this AM, still have this sling on from from rotator cuff surgery (two more weeks) and I'm bored stiff.
 
They are listed in the Midway catalog. What size bushing are you using? How do you deal with out of round case necks? Are you turning the necks?
Tell me about your Lapua.
 
Bearless
I don't see your problem, you said "only vehicle to pass my house is the mail man". Flag down the mail man and send your die to someone!
CAM
 
bearless
I am at the office right now but I believe I have been using a .366 bushing. I haven't seen any out of round case necks in any Lapua brass that I have, which is why I always recommend Lapua brass. The neck wall thickness is extremely consistent.
Because of the above I do not neck turn Lapua brass.

The Gold Medal set includes an expander plug for new brass that has a dented neck from handling.

I just looked and Midway does expect the Gold Medal 338 LM in stock middle of March. They are however $8 higher than buying them direct from RCBS.

My 338 Lapua is a Ruger #1 that I rebarreled with a Pac-Nor Sendaro 28" (30" w/ brake) barrel. It came prechambered for the 338 Lapua.
I had Kregg Slack install the muzzle brake.
Sightron 6x24x42MD scope.
Brake doesn't show up well in the picture.

338Lapua2.jpg
 
Bearless, how did the ammo come out with the hornady dies? If it aint broke....

I love the redding competition seater by the way. I used forster and they marked up the bullets some. I believe you can send redding fired cases and they will tell you what bushing you will need. I suspect they may already konw which one to use with lapua brass. I tried both neck sizing and fl sizing and never noticed a difference either way. No sense is going crazy with bench rest techniques with a rifle with the recoil of a lapua anyway. I shoot less than 1/2" and I'm happy. I know the gun can shoot one hole groups, but the guy pulling the trigger always pulls one of the 3 shots.

Anyway, the 338 lapua brass is excellent, wish lapua made brass in more calibers. I wouldn't worry too much about case life. I load my cases no more than 4 times no matter what they look like....but thats just me.

Lastly, $2 per case seems high. EA Brown is the cheapest i've seen. $156/100
Lapua Brass

Best of luck with your project.
 
Went there, non listed on his site. Gave him a call, left a message maybe he'll get back to me. Quite a savings, Midway is $200.00 for 100/ct. Thanks alot.
 
James H.
Ron Hoehn did return my call, no 338 Lapua in stock.
Found brass at EA Brown for $156.00 plus $16.00 S&I. Substantial savings over Midways pricing.
"Bearless, how did the ammo come out with the hornady dies? If it aint broke...."
Actually I was quite proud of my handloads til I started reading this forum. Anyhow, to late now, the seed been planted. Got it in my head I wanna try some bushing dies. Looks like a toss up between Redding and RCBS. My case neck measures .366, thinking .003-.004 under.
I know ya don't need sub ½" groups when you shooting at an animal the size of a Volkswagen bus, but........
 
bearless
I checked and I am using a .364 bushing loaded round measures .366. I may in the future try a .365.
Back to your question on the deformed necks on new brass.
Neither of my Redding competition die sets included an expander plug for straightening them out. The Redding type-S
and the RCBS Gold Medal however include both an expander plug and a smaller decapping rod holder.
The Redding FL Type-S and the RCBS Gold Medal FL dies are pretty much the same.
If you are not loading at the upper window you could get by with the Redding competition neck die but if you need to use the body die to bump the shoulder it's my opinion that you may as well go with a FL bushing die.
In theory the Redding Competition dies should make straighter ammo.
As I said earlier I really like the RCBS Gold Medal seater for long cases because of the bullet window, no fiddling around to get the bullet over the case and into the die. You can literally toss the bullet into the window in the die and seat the bullet. The Gold Medal die has a floating bushing that aligns the case before the bullet is seated, it however doesn't have the spring loaded sleeve that Redding uses to align the case.

James
 
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