I have a Savage Model 12 Stainless and I am shooting the Berger 185s powered by 69 grains H4831SC and Fed 215 Mag large rifle primers. Took a South Texas white tail at 335 yards in 2012, bullet did exactly what it was supposed to, deer fell DRT. Lost the lease and so been working on my long distance shooting, same load shoots 3.75" group at 545 yards. I have just shot some 215 hybrids, thanks Broz, and am way impressed, will be making the switch as soon as the last box of 185s are gone. Velocity on the 185s is 2986 fps at 3888 ft elevation. 230's powered by 65 grains of H4831SC and the fed 215 primer is just at 2800 and over 1700 fps at 1,000 yards. Incredible bullet. No pressure signs on any of my loads. Have shot in excess of 400 rounds of the Berger 185s.