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1000yd range-7mm vs. 338 Lapua
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<blockquote data-quote="Steve Shelp" data-source="post: 190324" data-attributes="member: 22"><p>KQguy,</p><p> I think JeffVN had a good point that needs to be clarified. The answer may make this decision easy. What style of competition are you talking about, F-Class or BR? If your thinking F-class I believe calibers larger than 8mm are illegal. IF the 338 is legal in F-Class then the recoil factor is a VERY big factor to consider as JeffVN pointed out also. So you can pretty much rule out a 338 for F-Class period, regardless of accuracy potential.</p><p></p><p> If it's BR competiton you are thinking about then yes, I would still agree with your gunsmiths advice on another caliber besides the 338. I'm the guy that BH referred to in the previous post that shot the 338 a lot. After 4 solid years of BR competiton with my 338 (keep in mind my rifle was in HG class which weighed #74 so recoil wasn't an issue) there was more than adaquate data to support the fact that until we get better quality 338 bullets it will not consistantly win in BR competition. I had my share of wins, but the better bullets available for the other calibers is the difference. I have my 338 barrel sitting in the corner waiting on Berger to finish up their 338 match bullet. Now that just might put the 338 over the top in accuracy department.</p><p></p><p> Many will argue the "advantage" of the high BC of the 300 SMK, but I've been beat more often than not firing right next to 6.5s, 7mm's, and 30's in the same conditions with lesser BC bullets while shooting my 338. It's the quality of the bullet not the BC that wins in BR. Some disagree, but the statistics show this clearly based on several years of data.</p><p> I can honestly say I won 1 match against 2 of the hottest shooters at that time because of the high BC of the 338 bullet in those 4 yrs. Both of these shooters were firing 300 Ackleys with Berger 210s and the wind was blowing at Hawks Ridge Gun Club here in NC. Both of those guys have won National championships and won at the World Open match at Williamsport using their 300 Ackleys. On this one day all 3 of us fired our 10 shot strings at the same time in a shoot-off. When I got done firing I looked up and Mike was pulling his bolt out and Alvin just fired his last shot also. I shot a 12" group and Mike and Alvin shot 18" + groups. All 3 groups were much wider than they were high. There were no other qualifiers for the shoot-off that day because the other relays had all shooters blown off paper and nobody advanced to the shoot-off. Just to give you an idea of the wind that day. That is the only time I can say the BC of that bullet won a match for me in 4yrs of competition.</p><p> There are friends of mine that still shoot the 338 in BR and they do a ton of work to the bullets. But the win percentage of a 338 over the other calibers has not gone up at all even with all of the work.</p><p></p><p> Now with that said, I'm not saying the 338 isn't accurate. It just isn't acurate enough to beat the good 6.5s and 30s in BR competition consistantly. When I'm talking about loosing a BR match I'm talking by an inch or so. I have agg'd in the 7"-8" region for (10) 10-shot targets over an entire season in any and all conditions with my 338. But the other calibers simply do better.. consistantly.</p><p></p><p> As far as the points made by Kirby and the others in regard to long range hunting up to elk size game, then the nod goes to the 338 hands down. That 300gr bullet is a big hunk of lead. I would always laugh when firing my 338 at the range during the sight-in period. It would throw hunks of sod and dirt into the air while the 6mm and 6.5s sometime are hard to see the impacts if it had rained recently. Lots of energy there at 1000yds.</p><p></p><p> So what is your priority? long range hunting with some competition... then the answer is a 338! If competition is your priority with some hunting then... 7mm or other calibers and adjsut your range according to animal size.</p><p></p><p>Steve</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Steve Shelp, post: 190324, member: 22"] KQguy, I think JeffVN had a good point that needs to be clarified. The answer may make this decision easy. What style of competition are you talking about, F-Class or BR? If your thinking F-class I believe calibers larger than 8mm are illegal. IF the 338 is legal in F-Class then the recoil factor is a VERY big factor to consider as JeffVN pointed out also. So you can pretty much rule out a 338 for F-Class period, regardless of accuracy potential. If it's BR competiton you are thinking about then yes, I would still agree with your gunsmiths advice on another caliber besides the 338. I'm the guy that BH referred to in the previous post that shot the 338 a lot. After 4 solid years of BR competiton with my 338 (keep in mind my rifle was in HG class which weighed #74 so recoil wasn't an issue) there was more than adaquate data to support the fact that until we get better quality 338 bullets it will not consistantly win in BR competition. I had my share of wins, but the better bullets available for the other calibers is the difference. I have my 338 barrel sitting in the corner waiting on Berger to finish up their 338 match bullet. Now that just might put the 338 over the top in accuracy department. Many will argue the "advantage" of the high BC of the 300 SMK, but I've been beat more often than not firing right next to 6.5s, 7mm's, and 30's in the same conditions with lesser BC bullets while shooting my 338. It's the quality of the bullet not the BC that wins in BR. Some disagree, but the statistics show this clearly based on several years of data. I can honestly say I won 1 match against 2 of the hottest shooters at that time because of the high BC of the 338 bullet in those 4 yrs. Both of these shooters were firing 300 Ackleys with Berger 210s and the wind was blowing at Hawks Ridge Gun Club here in NC. Both of those guys have won National championships and won at the World Open match at Williamsport using their 300 Ackleys. On this one day all 3 of us fired our 10 shot strings at the same time in a shoot-off. When I got done firing I looked up and Mike was pulling his bolt out and Alvin just fired his last shot also. I shot a 12" group and Mike and Alvin shot 18" + groups. All 3 groups were much wider than they were high. There were no other qualifiers for the shoot-off that day because the other relays had all shooters blown off paper and nobody advanced to the shoot-off. Just to give you an idea of the wind that day. That is the only time I can say the BC of that bullet won a match for me in 4yrs of competition. There are friends of mine that still shoot the 338 in BR and they do a ton of work to the bullets. But the win percentage of a 338 over the other calibers has not gone up at all even with all of the work. Now with that said, I'm not saying the 338 isn't accurate. It just isn't acurate enough to beat the good 6.5s and 30s in BR competition consistantly. When I'm talking about loosing a BR match I'm talking by an inch or so. I have agg'd in the 7"-8" region for (10) 10-shot targets over an entire season in any and all conditions with my 338. But the other calibers simply do better.. consistantly. As far as the points made by Kirby and the others in regard to long range hunting up to elk size game, then the nod goes to the 338 hands down. That 300gr bullet is a big hunk of lead. I would always laugh when firing my 338 at the range during the sight-in period. It would throw hunks of sod and dirt into the air while the 6mm and 6.5s sometime are hard to see the impacts if it had rained recently. Lots of energy there at 1000yds. So what is your priority? long range hunting with some competition... then the answer is a 338! If competition is your priority with some hunting then... 7mm or other calibers and adjsut your range according to animal size. Steve [/QUOTE]
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