358 Winchester performance at 300 yds

Jmatt · Friday at 8:01 PM

I shot two deer this year with a 358 Winchester Hornady 200 gr. SP traveling at approximately 2300 fps. Both went 4 legs up immediately. I like the performance of this caliber/bullet at this velocity. I'd like to buy a barrel/gun that can mimic this velocity and performance at 250 to 400 yards. I'm thinking 35 Whelan or 358 Norma mag in a 26" barrel.

Any input would be appreciated.

Jim

med358-boise · Friday at 8:19 PM

Are you saying you want an impact velocity of 2300 fps @ 400 yards? If so, I don't see you getting there with that bullet. Even a muzzle velocity of 2950 from a 358 Norma that bullet can only retain 2300 fps to ~about 220 yards because of the poor BC of the bullet.

Jmatt · Friday at 8:38 PM

Hmm.....well, I guess I'd need a different bullet, and at that point it's a moot point. Thanks for the input.

Aoudad shooter1975 · Friday at 9:57 PM

What impact velocity are you looking at at 400...2300?

Lionel Boyd Johnson · 2024-12-21T05:05:33-0600

If/when you change bullets for your .358, keep in mind that many of that caliber have strong jackets for use on heavy game. I had a couple of "failures" with my .35 Whelen on whitetail before finding some thinner jacketed bullets that I believe were intended for use in the .35 Remington or similar cartridges. The last deer I shot with my Whelen using the bullets intended for lower velocity dropped the deer inside of 12 yards. And that deer presented a bad angle. The bullet path was from the rear of the near lung through to the off-side shoulder.

sable tireur · 2024-12-21T05:06:25-0600

Starline brass at Starline price:

https://www.powdervalley.com/produc...zAhVzMmvHTfuhi6OJl1SA7tgJEQLOS8ILtfZDI5Zg42EV

Or buy it through Starline but 250 pieces minimum.

For those that enjoy the experimentation with cases and bullets, I bought the Starline brass and a significant number of Cutting Edge 340 gr. MTH bullets. I have the standard reamer but ordered a throater for this long bullet just for the experiment. I now have the full reamer which includes the extended throat.

The bullet weight/length along with the limited powder capacity curtails most of the statistics.

2,000 fps at the muzzle from a 22" barrel yields about 2,000 ft/lbs of energy at 500 yards.

It is a hoot to shoot!

Deputy819 · 2024-12-21T05:37:32-0600

Jmatt said:
I'd like to buy a barrel/gun that can mimic this velocity and performance at 250 to 400 yards.

Jmatt said:
traveling at approximately 2300 fps. Both went 4 legs up immediately.

If this is what you're after "I" would probably be looking into the .300 offerings (WinMag, SAUM, Weatherby Mag, Ultra Mag & WSM).

Longshotjames · 2024-12-21T05:57:14-0600

Jmatt said:
I shot two deer this year with a 358 Winchester Hornady 200 gr. SP traveling at approximately 2300 fps. Both went 4 legs up immediately. I like the performance of this caliber/bullet at this velocity. I'd like to buy a barrel/gun that can mimic this velocity and performance at 250 to 400 yards. I'm thinking 35 Whelan or 358 Norma mag in a 26" barrel.

Any input would be appreciated.

Jim

I think this is possible but need a few more variables to calculate what impact velocity of your 2 kills were.

Is 2300fps the muzzle velocity? What distance were the deer?
James

Bang4theBuck · 2024-12-21T07:16:43-0600

I recently loaded my 35 Whelen with 140 grain Stone Hammer Bullets going 3250fps. They are sub moa out to 500 yards!. Might be something to think about.

VinceMule · 2024-12-21T07:23:55-0600

Jmatt, seriously consider the 338/06.

RCMSTER · 2024-12-21T07:38:52-0600

Bang4theBuck said:
I recently loaded my 35 Whelen with 140 grain Stone Hammer Bullets going 3250fps. They are sub moa out to 500 yards!. Might be something to think about.

Would you mind pointing me to load data for that bullet? I currently load for 3 different whelens. I'm going to switch u to Hammers this year for all 3, and I would consider using this bullet. My first inclination is to go with the 178 grain, but haven't committed to it just yet.

Jmatt · 2024-12-21T07:59:21-0600

Aoudad shooter1975 said:
What impact velocity are you looking at at 400...2300?

No. But assuming that this bullet performs very well at 2300, I thought I might be able to speed up its muzzle velocity to take advantage of a longer shot in a different hunting scenario, like hunting on a pipeline, where a shot between 200 and 400 yards would be expected.

Jmatt · 2024-12-21T08:01:59-0600

Lionel Boyd Johnson said:
If/when you change bullets for your .358, keep in mind that many of that caliber have strong jackets for use on heavy game. I had a couple of "failures" with my .35 Whelen on whitetail before finding some thinner jacketed bullets that I believe were intended for use in the .35 Remington or similar cartridges. The last deer I shot with my Whelen using the bullets intended for lower velocity dropped the deer inside of 12 yards. And that deer presented a bad angle. The bullet path was from the rear of the near lung through to the off-side shoulder.

That's why it occurred to me to change the initial velocity, not the bullet.

wvbearhunter · 2024-12-21T08:02:46-0600

I wonder if necking up a 300 prc to 358 would get you there?

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