If it means they took their elk with it, it means they did what they wanted, and anything outside of that is a meaningless argument in ethics with someone that disagrees with it because they don't understand or want to understand, even after endless samples of what really kills animals, big or small.
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6mm Creedmoor first elk hunt
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Agreed.Extremely good point! Unless one hits the knuckle bone which I've seen done exactly once in well over 100 elk observed taken and on that one said elk was so sick it just sat there for a second until the 2nd shot took it down.
People truly make way freaking too big of a deal regarding how tough it is to punch thru the shoulder of an elk and get the bullet into the lungs. I've done it with the 63 Sierra out of my 22/250 and with the 60 Horn HP. The most recent was taken at 308 yds, bullet in behind the front left and exited the right front, that was a 63. Said volunteer took several steps and pitched over. And keep this in mind before you all start climbing all over my mentions of the Big 22's on game. They're not for everyone, they're not for all circumstances. Just like bowhunting one has limitations but then we all have our limitations in many ways. Many people are just too jumpy or excitable to have the cool and calm to be a predator.
The next thing that people (generally those with little elk killing experience) like to parrot is what some guide or outfitter thinks people should be using on elk. Not ALL but a great many guides and outfitters are incredibly uneducated when it comes to bullets/cartridges that people use and yet people have a tendency to take what they say as gospel...... Now the 300's are wonderful machines but I've found for the ranges most work within the Big 7's are an easier choice to deal with.
Personally I'm a huge Big 7 fan, my choice is the 7 Mashburn Super. I've got mine set up with Premier dots to 700 yds and feel very comfy going to that range. I've generally used the 150 NBT, it's done well for me. I've used many other bullets on elk, and I do like the 120 TTSX and the 150 Scenar.
There was a time though when I used a 340 Wby (700, Brown, Schneider, Leo), it weighed 8.25 lbs ready to go. I wore out two barrels with it shooting chucks etc out to 700 yds. I went back to the Big 7's as I haven't seen how the 340 does it any better and yet it's a pretty chippy bugger in a light rifle sans brake or a can.
Day in and day out we've found the 270 to be very tough to beat. One of my best friends took 17 elk with 18 rounds using his old 270 and 130 Sierra BT's. Farthest shot was 650, it took 2 steps and pitched over.
Lots of ways to skin an elk...
Why aren't these guys over on all the archery forums ethics-shaming all the men and women on there constantly killing elk where its an acceptable form of hunting with strings shooting sticks with 95 - 100 grain broadheads at 300 fps that create a 1" wound that the animals bleed to death from with little to no permanent crush cavity? We all know why...
I've hung up and shot right through a 1/4" piece of plywood and through a fresh elk scapula behind it with my 14 year old son's 45lb draw bow with 100 grain Slick Tricks and Axis 5mm shafts from 20 yards traveling 205 fps. Deer, elk and moose shoulders do not stop bullets.
Varmint Hunter
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While anything is possible, I'm just passing along the info I received from numerous outfitters at the annual Harrisburg Show.
In the referenced 6 Creed kill - I'd bet with the same shot placement a 22-250, with the correct bullet, would have also resulted in a harvested bull.
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waspocrew
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Because it always goes the way of "broadheads kill differently, so we can't compare"….
I've killed 2 bulls with archery equipment (as well as 3 bulls and several cows with rifles) and after seeing them expire very fast, I'm a firm believer in shot placement more than the size of projectile used.
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Sure we can. If you bore a 1" hole though vitals it will die.
Elkbuster
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Great advice keep up the good work. I can see your a great and ethical hunter.
VO2MaxFF
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Picture the bull of a lifetime, 800lbs, 7x7 quartering toward or presenting a frontal shot… and that's the only shot presentation you'll get during a 10 day backcountry hunt. Do you want a smaller projectile striking the glenohumeral joint/humeral head and not having enough "oomph"/momentum/etc (whatever you want to call it) to penetrate it and you wound the bull instead of punching through and breaking that bull down? They're big critters! They're tough as nails and have an incredible will to survive. Wouldn't you want the right tool for the job rather than a marginal tool at best for the task?
med358-boise
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For those of you that like the 6mm creedmoor and the ELD-M/Berger type bullets, any experience with how it performs when it does hit the shoulder at an impact velocity of say 2850 fps?
In my opinion shot placement is critical with the fast .22 and .24 calibers. To far forward and you blow up the heart to far back and you liquefy the liver to high and you ruin to much loin meat. Three of my favorites parts of elk.
- Here is a perspective from Bell hunting elephants. Big game caliber choice. take from it what you will.
- He went to rifles chambered in .318 Westley Richards for a while, which is a .32 caliber cartridge firing a 250 grain bullet at about 2400 fps, but found the ammunition unreliable and again returned to the 7x57mm. He later wrote that the .318 Westley Richards was more of a reliable killer for certain shots, while the 7x57 was a "surgeons" rifle.
- He wrote about being able to drop an elephant with a light caliber rifle if he shot it in the same place that he would have shot it with a heavy rifle and realised this fully when he saw that elephants shot with a .303 died just as quickly when shot in the same place as a .450/400 double rifle with both triggers wired together, so they went off at the same time.
Thank you
Right, but what if it were a big one?
I'm kidding, those are some beautiful animals!
You're wasting your time it's like talking to a rock
. Just throw away your rifles and buy a 22 Arc it's the only gun you will need here on out. Saying that very sarcastically.
