Universal predator cartridge

ducky said:

I only have the .17 HMR, and wouldn't mind an HM2. I've never been really interested in the .17 Remington, but the .17 Fireball seems like it would be a better option. It gives up very little to the larger .17 Rem case, a 5 grain lighter bullet runs about the same speeds as the .17 Rem.

I hated reloading for the .204 Ruger because of small bullets. So I can't imagine those little .17 cal bullets. So I'll probably stick to rimfires in .17 cals.

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CaneBrake said:

We used to have a Remington 700 in .221 Fireball when I was kid. I'd give one half of my reproductive organs to have that round become mainstream again. Is it better than the .223? Not really. Is it cooler? Yes, very much.

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pahunter95 said:

Haha I hear ya one just came up at a sale I was gonna go to and I'm glad I didn't because I really wanted it and it went for 2100 I think. Kinda how I feel about my 218 bee

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DSheetz said:

I'm not a fan of the 17 Remington, as when they first came out the only round you could get was a 25-grain hollow point running at 4200 feet per second MV. They would sometimes blow apart in flight if they hit a snowflake or rain drop even tall grass or weeds. They often would tumble, and I've had them hit coyotes sideways and explode on the hide not penetrating. For fur saving I like no smaller then 55 grain bullets and the Seirra 55 grain boat tail GK running at 2900 feet per second MV, in my 223-bolt action group well, less than 1/2 MOA penetrate well into the body cavity, then open up and on red fox or jackrabbits only small fragments of copper will exit the opposite side of them, on coyote most times they expend all of their energy in the animal and the hydro shock makes them go stiff legged and tip over, never to wake up. On smaller varmints like your marmots, they will sometimes make a mess or if you have bad shot placement on any animal. If I'm just killing animals any caliber will do the job, it's a matter of how messy or how efficiently I want it done, respecting the animal's life and taking it as humanly as possible is my goal.

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Straight Shooter said:

^^^^^^^What Dave said. I have a very accurate CZ527 in 17 rem. I bought as a fur gun and calling rifle. It is a wonderful rifle and very accurate. I have just had too many runners over the years. I have shot coyotes at 250 yards and they were bang flop. However. I have shot coyotes at 20 yards and had them run off. Last coyote I shot with it a couple of weeks ago ran 100 yards but it was a heart shot. Love the gun and the caliber, but with fur prices as they are the old 22-250 and 6 creed are getting all the action. It is a great fox caliber.

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REDVANES said:

I love the 17s. I had a 17fb a while back that I shot 3 coyotes with. Even took 1 at about 400yds but got lucky and heart shot it. I sold that rifle and regretted it ever since. Last year I found another for cheap considering what they go for now. Did a little makeover on it and looking forward to putting some fur down with it this year.

Here's my 17fb that still needs cerakote.

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K9TXS said:

What action is this?

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ObiJohn said:

A Winchester M70 Laredo BOSS, action trued and tuned, rebarreled to 6.71 Lazzeroni with a 26" 1:12" twist Lilja. (I would have gone with a faster twist, but I wanted to optimize it for the 100 gr Sierra or Nosler boat tail.) It shoots those 100 gr .264 bulets at a chrono'd 3950 ft/sec, and is explosive death on coyotes. I got tired of them sitting out there and barking at my calling. If I ever rebarrel it I'll go with a 26" CF Sendero profile barrel with a 1:9" twist.

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