I drew an antelope tag this year in Oregon, using a Berger 168 VLD had my 300 Ackley tuned for long distance, shot was at 50 yards! Then I shot an elk running by me, through the chest, bullet lodged in the hip, both animals dropped fast. Have always used ballistic tips or AMax's, but now use these Bergers in everything. If you want for 150 shipped I am happy to sell them. Very happy with performance. Tom