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<blockquote data-quote="Coyboy" data-source="post: 309746" data-attributes="member: 3733"><p>MR, please, your lecturing on some of the guys speculating, while you're speculating as well. I am by no means wanting a ****ing contest here, but please consider the following. </p><p></p><p>article stated;</p><p>"According to court documents, the investigation began in 2005, and was seeded in the fact that Lewton was "with a number of bighorn sheep tag holders in Montana during the last 10 to 15 years when they were hunting for bighorn sheep." His continued proximity presumably helped arouse suspicion that he was outfitting without a license."</p><p></p><p>This leads anyone reading the article to believe that the only resonable suspicion the dept. had was outfitting without a lic. So now the officer needs to gather probable cause to make an arrest.</p><p></p><p>2 choices to get this evidence; </p><p>1. Contact the sheep tag holder of the past 10-15 years and get testimonial evidence against the suspect. If they don't talk offer imunity, or a "reward" for tipping off a violator. </p><p>2. Shadow suspect until he violates again, when the officer made initial contact, the suspect stated he was doing a fly by for another hunter. Watch wait and arrest on that violation.</p><p></p><p>Was it necessary to hire the suspect and kill a ram? NO. Was it the easiest way? may-be may-be not. Had the dept. investigated past outfitting suspicions they may have procurred enough evidence for an arrest and interogation, which may have netted a confession. not that they would need it if 5 past clients testified against him.</p><p></p><p>Were they trying to make a mountain out of a molehill? I'm sure they were, does an arrest for outfitting without a lic. justify the killing of that sheep? NO</p><p></p><p>If the evidence of any of this "investigation" is determined by the judge to be inadmisable, by the way of entrapment or cohersion, The result will be that the more serious charges of the sale of the animal will likly be dismissed due to "poison fruit" Had they attacked the case from a different angle I'm sure that a more sutible result would have been the outcome. </p><p></p><p></p><p>Nowhere is it stated that the suspect was, or is believed to be a poacher, If there was evidence from past events, it would be easy to obtain. Not many poachers shoot a record class animal, and do not either sell for profit, or brag it up as their legal kill. One trip thru his trophy room and the records of his past sheep tags would prove wrongdoing of the sort had it ever occured. And I am sure after his arrest fish and game searched everything the man has ever owned, and had there been any evidence of such he would be up on those charges as well.</p><p></p><p>Is this guy guilty? most likly.</p><p>Will he be convicted? good question, wait and see.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Coyboy, post: 309746, member: 3733"] MR, please, your lecturing on some of the guys speculating, while you're speculating as well. I am by no means wanting a ****ing contest here, but please consider the following. article stated; "According to court documents, the investigation began in 2005, and was seeded in the fact that Lewton was “with a number of bighorn sheep tag holders in Montana during the last 10 to 15 years when they were hunting for bighorn sheep.” His continued proximity presumably helped arouse suspicion that he was outfitting without a license." This leads anyone reading the article to believe that the only resonable suspicion the dept. had was outfitting without a lic. So now the officer needs to gather probable cause to make an arrest. 2 choices to get this evidence; 1. Contact the sheep tag holder of the past 10-15 years and get testimonial evidence against the suspect. If they don't talk offer imunity, or a "reward" for tipping off a violator. 2. Shadow suspect until he violates again, when the officer made initial contact, the suspect stated he was doing a fly by for another hunter. Watch wait and arrest on that violation. Was it necessary to hire the suspect and kill a ram? NO. Was it the easiest way? may-be may-be not. Had the dept. investigated past outfitting suspicions they may have procurred enough evidence for an arrest and interogation, which may have netted a confession. not that they would need it if 5 past clients testified against him. Were they trying to make a mountain out of a molehill? I'm sure they were, does an arrest for outfitting without a lic. justify the killing of that sheep? NO If the evidence of any of this "investigation" is determined by the judge to be inadmisable, by the way of entrapment or cohersion, The result will be that the more serious charges of the sale of the animal will likly be dismissed due to "poison fruit" Had they attacked the case from a different angle I'm sure that a more sutible result would have been the outcome. Nowhere is it stated that the suspect was, or is believed to be a poacher, If there was evidence from past events, it would be easy to obtain. Not many poachers shoot a record class animal, and do not either sell for profit, or brag it up as their legal kill. One trip thru his trophy room and the records of his past sheep tags would prove wrongdoing of the sort had it ever occured. And I am sure after his arrest fish and game searched everything the man has ever owned, and had there been any evidence of such he would be up on those charges as well. Is this guy guilty? most likly. Will he be convicted? good question, wait and see. [/QUOTE]
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