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What can't .223 kill?
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<blockquote data-quote="joe0121" data-source="post: 502624" data-attributes="member: 26058"><p>The 5.56 is a very unstable round as a great deal of its mass is aft. When it hits something like flesh the rear of the bullet tumbles forward causing a very large wound channel. This is most true past 100 yards and very pronounced between 200-300 yards. </p><p></p><p>Closer than 100 yards the affect is more like shoving a hot pencil through something. I have shot and have seen shot many Insurgents in Iraq at distance closer than 100 yards several time and they continue to fight on only to die hour/days later nor not at all. </p><p></p><p>So yes the 5.56 is a meat axe but only in certain conditions. Now in the military you can carry a lot of 5.56 and being limited by ball ammo it isnt THAT bad of a choice given the NATO standardization BS (6.8 Grendel would be better as well as that weird CZ 5.7mm).</p><p></p><p>But with the availability of civilian hunting ammo I think there are a host of other better options. Come to think of it for smallish to medium thick skinned game in a wooded setting 6.8 grendal sound like more the ticket. </p><p></p><p>As with anything skill and shot placement trump caliber selection anytime. Also a short barrel rifle to take some velocity of the 5.56/.223 as well as twist rate selection could easily move the "meat axe" affect in closer. </p><p></p><p>Yes we have all seen the videos of guys shooting ballistics gel at close range and the round tumbles. But I have also seen a bad guy take three shots to the chest at 15 yards and keep running and firing at the other marines in the convoy.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="joe0121, post: 502624, member: 26058"] The 5.56 is a very unstable round as a great deal of its mass is aft. When it hits something like flesh the rear of the bullet tumbles forward causing a very large wound channel. This is most true past 100 yards and very pronounced between 200-300 yards. Closer than 100 yards the affect is more like shoving a hot pencil through something. I have shot and have seen shot many Insurgents in Iraq at distance closer than 100 yards several time and they continue to fight on only to die hour/days later nor not at all. So yes the 5.56 is a meat axe but only in certain conditions. Now in the military you can carry a lot of 5.56 and being limited by ball ammo it isnt THAT bad of a choice given the NATO standardization BS (6.8 Grendel would be better as well as that weird CZ 5.7mm). But with the availability of civilian hunting ammo I think there are a host of other better options. Come to think of it for smallish to medium thick skinned game in a wooded setting 6.8 grendal sound like more the ticket. As with anything skill and shot placement trump caliber selection anytime. Also a short barrel rifle to take some velocity of the 5.56/.223 as well as twist rate selection could easily move the "meat axe" affect in closer. Yes we have all seen the videos of guys shooting ballistics gel at close range and the round tumbles. But I have also seen a bad guy take three shots to the chest at 15 yards and keep running and firing at the other marines in the convoy. [/QUOTE]
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