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<blockquote data-quote="Rflshootr" data-source="post: 2703824" data-attributes="member: 10284"><p>Just curious if you've ever looked at Berger 168 VLD's. At 2650 (easily doable) you'd have much more velocity and energy at 450 and could even extend your range. Just something to think about.</p><p></p><p>Berger 168VLD Hunting @2650fps</p><p></p><div style="text-align: center"> <table style='width: 100%'><tr><th>Input Parameters</th><th></th><th></th><th></th></tr><tr><td><strong>Bullet Diameter</strong></td><td>0.308 inches</td><td><strong>Zero Range</strong></td><td>100 yards</td></tr><tr><td><strong>Bullet Weight</strong></td><td>168 grains</td><td><strong>Sight Height</strong></td><td>1.50 in</td></tr><tr><td><strong>Ballistic Coefficient</strong></td><td>0.255</td><td><strong>Muzzle Velocity</strong></td><td>2650 fps</td></tr><tr><td><strong>Temperature</strong></td><td>40 F</td><td><strong>Wind Speed</strong></td><td>5.00 mph</td></tr><tr><td><strong>Altitude</strong></td><td>500 feet</td><td><strong>Wind Direction</strong></td><td>9 o'clock</td></tr><tr><td><strong>Inclination</strong></td><td>0 degrees</td><td><strong><em>Berger Bullets</em></strong></td><td><strong><em>Copyright 2013</em></strong></td></tr></table></div> <div style="text-align: center"></div> <div style="text-align: center"></div> <div style="text-align: center"></div> <div style="text-align: center"> <table style='width: 100%'><tr><th>Range Card</th><th></th><th></th><th></th><th></th><th></th></tr><tr><td><strong>Range<br /> (y)</strong></td><td><strong>Velocity<br /> (fps)</strong></td><td><strong>Energy<br /> (ft-lbs)</strong></td><td><strong>Elevation<br /> (inches)</strong></td><td><strong>Windage<br /> (inches)</strong></td><td><strong>TOF<br /> (s)</strong></td></tr><tr><td><div style="text-align: center">100</div> </td><td><div style="text-align: center">2472</div> </td><td><div style="text-align: center">2280</div> </td><td><div style="text-align: center">-0.00</div> </td><td><div style="text-align: center">0.38</div> </td><td><div style="text-align: center">0.12</div> </td></tr><tr><td><div style="text-align: center">150</div> </td><td><div style="text-align: center">2386</div> </td><td><div style="text-align: center">2124</div> </td><td><div style="text-align: center">-1.33</div> </td><td><div style="text-align: center">0.85</div> </td><td><div style="text-align: center">0.18</div> </td></tr><tr><td><div style="text-align: center">200</div> </td><td><div style="text-align: center">2301</div> </td><td><div style="text-align: center">1976</div> </td><td><div style="text-align: center">-4.20</div> </td><td><div style="text-align: center">1.52</div> </td><td><div style="text-align: center">0.24</div> </td></tr><tr><td><div style="text-align: center">250</div> </td><td><div style="text-align: center">2218</div> </td><td><div style="text-align: center">1836</div> </td><td><div style="text-align: center">-8.70</div> </td><td><div style="text-align: center">2.40</div> </td><td><div style="text-align: center">0.31</div> </td></tr><tr><td><div style="text-align: center">300</div> </td><td><div style="text-align: center">2137</div> </td><td><div style="text-align: center">1704</div> </td><td><div style="text-align: center">-14.97</div> </td><td><div style="text-align: center">3.50</div> </td><td><div style="text-align: center">0.38</div> </td></tr><tr><td><div style="text-align: center">350</div> </td><td><div style="text-align: center">2058</div> </td><td><div style="text-align: center">1580</div> </td><td><div style="text-align: center">-23.15</div> </td><td><div style="text-align: center">4.83</div> </td><td><div style="text-align: center">0.45</div> </td></tr><tr><td><div style="text-align: center">400</div> </td><td><div style="text-align: center">1980</div> </td><td><div style="text-align: center">1463</div> </td><td><div style="text-align: center">-33.38</div> </td><td><div style="text-align: center">6.40</div> </td><td><div style="text-align: center">0.52</div> </td></tr><tr><td><div style="text-align: center">450</div> </td><td><div style="text-align: center">1904</div> </td><td><div style="text-align: center">1352</div> </td><td><div style="text-align: center">-45.82</div> </td><td><div style="text-align: center">8.24</div> </td><td><div style="text-align: center">0.60</div> </td></tr><tr><td><div style="text-align: center">500</div> </td><td><div style="text-align: center">1829</div> </td><td><div style="text-align: center">1248</div> </td><td><div style="text-align: center">-60.67</div> </td><td><div style="text-align: center">10.35</div> </td><td><div style="text-align: center">0.68</div> </td></tr></table> </div><p></p><p></p><p>Swift 180 A Frame @ 2536</p><div style="text-align: center"></div> <div style="text-align: center"> <table style='width: 100%'><tr><th>Input Parameters</th><th></th><th></th><th></th></tr><tr><td><strong>Bullet Diameter</strong></td><td>0.308 inches</td><td><strong>Zero Range</strong></td><td>100 yards</td></tr><tr><td><strong>Bullet Weight</strong></td><td>180 grains</td><td><strong>Sight Height</strong></td><td>1.50 in</td></tr><tr><td><strong>Ballistic Coefficient</strong></td><td>0.400</td><td><strong>Muzzle Velocity</strong></td><td>2536 fps</td></tr><tr><td><strong>Temperature</strong></td><td>40 F</td><td><strong>Wind Speed</strong></td><td>5.00 mph</td></tr><tr><td><strong>Altitude</strong></td><td>500 feet</td><td><strong>Wind Direction</strong></td><td>9 o'clock</td></tr><tr><td><strong>Inclination</strong></td><td>0 degrees</td><td><strong><em>Berger Bullets</em></strong></td><td><strong><em>Copyright 2013</em></strong></td></tr></table></div> <div style="text-align: center"></div> <div style="text-align: center"></div> <div style="text-align: center"></div> <div style="text-align: center"> <table style='width: 100%'><tr><th>Range Card</th><th></th><th></th><th></th><th></th><th></th></tr><tr><td><strong>Range<br /> (y)</strong></td><td><strong>Velocity<br /> (fps)</strong></td><td><strong>Energy<br /> (ft-lbs)</strong></td><td><strong>Elevation<br /> (inches)</strong></td><td><strong>Windage<br /> (inches)</strong></td><td><strong>TOF<br /> (s)</strong></td></tr><tr><td><div style="text-align: center">100</div> </td><td><div style="text-align: center">2317</div> </td><td><div style="text-align: center">2146</div> </td><td><div style="text-align: center">0.00</div> </td><td><div style="text-align: center">0.52</div> </td><td><div style="text-align: center">0.12</div> </td></tr><tr><td><div style="text-align: center">150</div> </td><td><div style="text-align: center">2211</div> </td><td><div style="text-align: center">1955</div> </td><td><div style="text-align: center">-1.61</div> </td><td><div style="text-align: center">1.17</div> </td><td><div style="text-align: center">0.19</div> </td></tr><tr><td><div style="text-align: center">200</div> </td><td><div style="text-align: center">2109</div> </td><td><div style="text-align: center">1778</div> </td><td><div style="text-align: center">-5.00</div> </td><td><div style="text-align: center">2.10</div> </td><td><div style="text-align: center">0.26</div> </td></tr><tr><td><div style="text-align: center">250</div> </td><td><div style="text-align: center">2009</div> </td><td><div style="text-align: center">1613</div> </td><td><div style="text-align: center">-10.35</div> </td><td><div style="text-align: center">3.33</div> </td><td><div style="text-align: center">0.33</div> </td></tr><tr><td><div style="text-align: center">300</div> </td><td><div style="text-align: center">1912</div> </td><td><div style="text-align: center">1461</div> </td><td><div style="text-align: center">-17.86</div> </td><td><div style="text-align: center">4.88</div> </td><td><div style="text-align: center">0.41</div> </td></tr><tr><td><div style="text-align: center">350</div> </td><td><div style="text-align: center">1818</div> </td><td><div style="text-align: center">1321</div> </td><td><div style="text-align: center">-27.75</div> </td><td><div style="text-align: center">6.78</div> </td><td><div style="text-align: center">0.49</div> </td></tr><tr><td><div style="text-align: center">400</div> </td><td><div style="text-align: center">1727</div> </td><td><div style="text-align: center">1192</div> </td><td><div style="text-align: center">-40.28</div> </td><td><div style="text-align: center">9.05</div> </td><td><div style="text-align: center">0.57</div> </td></tr><tr><td><div style="text-align: center">450</div> </td><td><div style="text-align: center">1640</div> </td><td><div style="text-align: center">1075</div> </td><td><div style="text-align: center">-55.72</div> </td><td><div style="text-align: center">11.71</div> </td><td><div style="text-align: center">0.66</div> </td></tr><tr><td><div style="text-align: center">500</div> </td><td><div style="text-align: center">1556</div> </td><td><div style="text-align: center">968</div> </td><td><div style="text-align: center">-74.40</div> </td><td><div style="text-align: center">14.79</div> </td><td><div style="text-align: center">0.76</div> </td></tr></table> </div></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Rflshootr, post: 2703824, member: 10284"] Just curious if you've ever looked at Berger 168 VLD's. At 2650 (easily doable) you'd have much more velocity and energy at 450 and could even extend your range. Just something to think about. Berger 168VLD Hunting @2650fps [CENTER][TABLE] [TR] [TH]Input Parameters[/TH] [TH][/TH] [TH][/TH] [TH][/TH] [/TR] [TR] [TD][B]Bullet Diameter[/B][/TD] [TD]0.308 inches[/TD] [TD][B]Zero Range[/B][/TD] [TD]100 yards[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][B]Bullet Weight[/B][/TD] [TD]168 grains[/TD] [TD][B]Sight Height[/B][/TD] [TD]1.50 in[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][B]Ballistic Coefficient[/B][/TD] [TD]0.255[/TD] [TD][B]Muzzle Velocity[/B][/TD] [TD]2650 fps[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][B]Temperature[/B][/TD] [TD]40 F[/TD] [TD][B]Wind Speed[/B][/TD] [TD]5.00 mph[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][B]Altitude[/B][/TD] [TD]500 feet[/TD] [TD][B]Wind Direction[/B][/TD] [TD]9 o'clock[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][B]Inclination[/B][/TD] [TD]0 degrees[/TD] [TD][B][I]Berger Bullets[/I][/B][/TD] [TD][B][I]Copyright 2013[/I][/B][/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] [TABLE] [TR] [TH]Range Card[/TH] [TH][/TH] [TH][/TH] [TH][/TH] [TH][/TH] [TH][/TH] [/TR] [TR] [TD][B]Range (y)[/B][/TD] [TD][B]Velocity (fps)[/B][/TD] [TD][B]Energy (ft-lbs)[/B][/TD] [TD][B]Elevation (inches)[/B][/TD] [TD][B]Windage (inches)[/B][/TD] [TD][B]TOF (s)[/B][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][CENTER]100[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]2472[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]2280[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]-0.00[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]0.38[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]0.12[/CENTER][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][CENTER]150[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]2386[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]2124[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]-1.33[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]0.85[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]0.18[/CENTER][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][CENTER]200[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]2301[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]1976[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]-4.20[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]1.52[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]0.24[/CENTER][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][CENTER]250[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]2218[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]1836[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]-8.70[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]2.40[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]0.31[/CENTER][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][CENTER]300[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]2137[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]1704[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]-14.97[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]3.50[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]0.38[/CENTER][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][CENTER]350[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]2058[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]1580[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]-23.15[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]4.83[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]0.45[/CENTER][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][CENTER]400[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]1980[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]1463[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]-33.38[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]6.40[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]0.52[/CENTER][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][CENTER]450[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]1904[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]1352[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]-45.82[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]8.24[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]0.60[/CENTER][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][CENTER]500[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]1829[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]1248[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]-60.67[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]10.35[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]0.68[/CENTER][/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE][/CENTER] Swift 180 A Frame @ 2536 [CENTER] [TABLE] [TR] [TH]Input Parameters[/TH] [TH][/TH] [TH][/TH] [TH][/TH] [/TR] [TR] [TD][B]Bullet Diameter[/B][/TD] [TD]0.308 inches[/TD] [TD][B]Zero Range[/B][/TD] [TD]100 yards[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][B]Bullet Weight[/B][/TD] [TD]180 grains[/TD] [TD][B]Sight Height[/B][/TD] [TD]1.50 in[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][B]Ballistic Coefficient[/B][/TD] [TD]0.400[/TD] [TD][B]Muzzle Velocity[/B][/TD] [TD]2536 fps[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][B]Temperature[/B][/TD] [TD]40 F[/TD] [TD][B]Wind Speed[/B][/TD] [TD]5.00 mph[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][B]Altitude[/B][/TD] [TD]500 feet[/TD] [TD][B]Wind Direction[/B][/TD] [TD]9 o'clock[/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][B]Inclination[/B][/TD] [TD]0 degrees[/TD] [TD][B][I]Berger Bullets[/I][/B][/TD] [TD][B][I]Copyright 2013[/I][/B][/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE] [TABLE] [TR] [TH]Range Card[/TH] [TH][/TH] [TH][/TH] [TH][/TH] [TH][/TH] [TH][/TH] [/TR] [TR] [TD][B]Range (y)[/B][/TD] [TD][B]Velocity (fps)[/B][/TD] [TD][B]Energy (ft-lbs)[/B][/TD] [TD][B]Elevation (inches)[/B][/TD] [TD][B]Windage (inches)[/B][/TD] [TD][B]TOF (s)[/B][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][CENTER]100[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]2317[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]2146[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]0.00[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]0.52[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]0.12[/CENTER][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][CENTER]150[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]2211[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]1955[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]-1.61[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]1.17[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]0.19[/CENTER][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][CENTER]200[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]2109[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]1778[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]-5.00[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]2.10[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]0.26[/CENTER][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][CENTER]250[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]2009[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]1613[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]-10.35[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]3.33[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]0.33[/CENTER][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][CENTER]300[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]1912[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]1461[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]-17.86[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]4.88[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]0.41[/CENTER][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][CENTER]350[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]1818[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]1321[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]-27.75[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]6.78[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]0.49[/CENTER][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][CENTER]400[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]1727[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]1192[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]-40.28[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]9.05[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]0.57[/CENTER][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][CENTER]450[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]1640[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]1075[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]-55.72[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]11.71[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]0.66[/CENTER][/TD] [/TR] [TR] [TD][CENTER]500[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]1556[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]968[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]-74.40[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]14.79[/CENTER][/TD] [TD][CENTER]0.76[/CENTER][/TD] [/TR] [/TABLE][/CENTER] [/QUOTE]
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