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<blockquote data-quote="fordy" data-source="post: 3057331" data-attributes="member: 120504"><p>Gday outdrmn</p><p></p><p>I really value your post as it's one that shows us the exact thing I look for secondly as accuracy is 1 ( accuracy can still be 2moa for some longrange combos but that's for another day , that was put up for [USER=32631]@WYO300RUM[/USER] & get him a ticking )</p><p></p><p>Moving forward let's not get into this brand pill or that pill brands or characteristics & just what the pill does so I'll leave the actual name out & treat it as just the pill</p><p>Please & surely this is not hard & general basics</p><p></p><p>PENETRATION is the most important part of the whole package of terminal results we need imo ( accuracy aside)</p><p></p><p>Example If you can't get to the vitals ( cns included ) your in for a long day as these ones were & both pills or parts of pills were recovered</p><p>[ATTACH=full]552190[/ATTACH][ATTACH=full]552312[/ATTACH]</p><p></p><p>So let's break your 162 gr pill ( yes let's forget brand & style ) down on a pill preformance side</p><p></p><p>That pill on that angle & that resistance gave you that amount of penertration on that elk </p><p></p><p>I'm pretty sure everyone is in agreement here <img class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" alt="😎" title="Smiling face with sunglasses :sunglasses:" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f60e.png" data-shortname=":sunglasses:" /> or I hope so if not please explain what this pill did</p><p>[ATTACH=full]552354[/ATTACH]</p><p></p><p>Now the one that stirs a few up so before anyone gets in a pickle please clear your head & breathe till you finish reading then digest the following</p><p></p><p>That 162 gr pill which only just made it with enough penetration yes it killed I get that but this is where I don't accept a pill that just kills as keep shooting & it will fail that I am willing to bet a lot on as you saw on my position of I'll gladly stand behind a elk with that combo but dosent look like that's going to happen</p><p></p><p>So keeping shooting that 162 gr pill & it may not be you outdrmn but someone will loose a elk with that pill due to what I stated in post 332 but it seemed to go over some heads as got into this brand vrs that </p><p></p><p><span style="color: rgb(184, 49, 47)">no it's what the pill does not what it's called </span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)">the way forward is to address the capabilities of that pill </span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)">Briefly </span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)">so we have the bar set with the 162 @ that preformance level now if we go to the 154 ( it is the same style to try & stay with the same characteristics) </span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)">You get less penertration yet only 8 gr less move that to a hypothetical 140 gr pill of the same characteristics you will get even less penertration ( hypothetical) </span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)">So do we see a pattern I hope so & ask would you shoot that 154 or hypothetical 140 </span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)">I would assume not yet move to deer & any of those pills now become options on the basis above </span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)">Surely I've got that part correct in a basic manner <img class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" alt="🤷♂️" title="Man shrugging :man_shrugging:" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f937-2642.png" data-shortname=":man_shrugging:" /></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)">Now move to the 180 gr pill & you have now a little more penetration ( I assume off others thoughts & the base of a bigger pill will penetrate more but that's not always the case for other reasons I'll stay out of as trying to hone in on the basics ) </span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)">Now if that extra 6 inches of penertration is required & it will oneday for someone if not you . Then by this simple method of addressing penertration requirements you won't be left wanting </span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)">you then can delve deeper into other factors which effect terminal results but I'm staying clear of those on this thread before I get anymore labels </span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)">Shoot what you want I've got no worries with that & if that is what you choose to do @least you now know the max angle resistance your combo can give / get a result & I would advise that is your limit </span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)">For everyone else I'd suggest having more insurance than the 162 pill has & don't worry about what it's called it's what the pill does that will dictate how many bases are covered ( insurance I like ) </span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)">Jm2cw</span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)"></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0)">Cheers </span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="fordy, post: 3057331, member: 120504"] Gday outdrmn I really value your post as it's one that shows us the exact thing I look for secondly as accuracy is 1 ( accuracy can still be 2moa for some longrange combos but that's for another day , that was put up for [USER=32631]@WYO300RUM[/USER] & get him a ticking ) Moving forward let's not get into this brand pill or that pill brands or characteristics & just what the pill does so I'll leave the actual name out & treat it as just the pill Please & surely this is not hard & general basics PENETRATION is the most important part of the whole package of terminal results we need imo ( accuracy aside) Example If you can't get to the vitals ( cns included ) your in for a long day as these ones were & both pills or parts of pills were recovered [ATTACH type="full" alt="33C19DCB-EF1D-4841-BB7D-A707B6EC81BE.png"]552190[/ATTACH][ATTACH type="full" alt="9345B488-3427-4ACC-B2F5-7B751C219BC5.png"]552312[/ATTACH] So let's break your 162 gr pill ( yes let's forget brand & style ) down on a pill preformance side That pill on that angle & that resistance gave you that amount of penertration on that elk I'm pretty sure everyone is in agreement here 😎 or I hope so if not please explain what this pill did [ATTACH type="full"]552354[/ATTACH] Now the one that stirs a few up so before anyone gets in a pickle please clear your head & breathe till you finish reading then digest the following That 162 gr pill which only just made it with enough penetration yes it killed I get that but this is where I don't accept a pill that just kills as keep shooting & it will fail that I am willing to bet a lot on as you saw on my position of I'll gladly stand behind a elk with that combo but dosent look like that's going to happen So keeping shooting that 162 gr pill & it may not be you outdrmn but someone will loose a elk with that pill due to what I stated in post 332 but it seemed to go over some heads as got into this brand vrs that [COLOR=rgb(184, 49, 47)]no it’s what the pill does not what it’s called [/COLOR] [COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 0)]the way forward is to address the capabilities of that pill Briefly so we have the bar set with the 162 @ that preformance level now if we go to the 154 ( it is the same style to try & stay with the same characteristics) You get less penertration yet only 8 gr less move that to a hypothetical 140 gr pill of the same characteristics you will get even less penertration ( hypothetical) So do we see a pattern I hope so & ask would you shoot that 154 or hypothetical 140 I would assume not yet move to deer & any of those pills now become options on the basis above Surely I’ve got that part correct in a basic manner 🤷♂️ Now move to the 180 gr pill & you have now a little more penetration ( I assume off others thoughts & the base of a bigger pill will penetrate more but that’s not always the case for other reasons I’ll stay out of as trying to hone in on the basics ) Now if that extra 6 inches of penertration is required & it will oneday for someone if not you . Then by this simple method of addressing penertration requirements you won’t be left wanting you then can delve deeper into other factors which effect terminal results but I’m staying clear of those on this thread before I get anymore labels Shoot what you want I’ve got no worries with that & if that is what you choose to do @least you now know the max angle resistance your combo can give / get a result & I would advise that is your limit For everyone else I’d suggest having more insurance than the 162 pill has & don’t worry about what it’s called it’s what the pill does that will dictate how many bases are covered ( insurance I like ) Jm2cw Cheers [/COLOR] [/QUOTE]
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