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<blockquote data-quote="Coyote Shadow Tracker" data-source="post: 2647688" data-attributes="member: 116439"><p>Wow this can get out of control with different views on hunting.</p><p>The main word should be "Interntaional Kill".</p><p>Some of us Hunt for Sport and get food as a second thought. Some MEAT hunt.</p><p>Then there are the Sport and Control Hunters. Varmints and Predators fall into this category.</p><p>There is the THRIL of the Kill.</p><p>Varmint hunters help out Ranchers. Parrie Dogs can eat up over 30% of the grass land that the ranchers have for their Cattle. That means that the land they have can only support up to 70% of their herd. How would anyone like to loose over 30% of their income (well we are all loosing over 30% in our IRA or 401k since the new admin 2020)???</p><p>Hunters help with PD populations.</p><p>Wood Chucks- If you ever went to a Dairy Farm and seen how hard they work 7/24/365. WoodChucks dig huge holes in the Hay fields. Not only the holes, but they dig up rocks. You should see the look on a farmer's face when they are barely making any money and their tractor breaks an axel on the tractor or the hay cutter breaks because or rocks going into it. Varmints breed and the better the farmland the more varmints!</p><p>Now lets talk PREDITORS. Besides anything to do with farmers the wildlife that is decimated by Coyotes. If you were a Quail hunter 75-50 years ago in the South USA hunting was GREAT. Now it is hard to even find a Quail. Let's talk Deer. Are you a Deer Hunter? Coyotes can kill up to 75% of the Fawn population. You can KILL up to 75% of Coyotes and it will not affect their population.</p><p>Big Predators Mountain Lion/Bear:</p><p>If you are a Rancher and have a Lion come into your area you can lose a number of calves. have any idea what that calve will cost when full grown and the loss for that Rancher. Think about the loss of a full grown steer taken by a Bear.</p><p>Yes we are intruding into the animals area, but not just killing to kill or it should not be that way. I really do not care for hunters that pay tens of thousands to shoot an animal and not eat it. Jill and I went to Africa and did Torphy hunt, but all the meat was eaten. Some by us and most by the tribes where we hunted. They don't hunt, can't hunt and the only meat thy eat is given by hunters.</p><p></p><p>Then there is another type of hunting to dispatch animals that are destroying property and we don't or may eat them.</p><p>I have shot hundreds of squirrels on my property because they were destroying my property (plus I got attacked by a Zombie Squirrel).</p><p>We don't condone killing just to KILL-go shoot paper or steel.</p><p>Full disclosure I recently asked about shooting a Skunk so that it would not spray. I would rather the skunk leave away from our house than spray our dogs. Probably the dogs' fault to get sprayed.</p><p>Same with Porcupines. Porcupines DO NOT ATTACK Dogs. Dogs ATTACK Porcupines. I know, when I lived in PA my dog got it twice and my heart was crying one time when the quills were in his throat and the Vet took over an hour with both of us pulling quills. </p><p>It was my fault to let Tobias (my dog) roam all night. NOT THE PORCUPINE!</p><p>Sure if a Porcupine is damaging your property and won't leave, then you may have to dispatch it (trying to think of the right pronoun he, she, him, her, they).</p><p>Just be a steward of wildlife and not just kill something just for the thrill of it or that you may be an animal sociopath.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Coyote Shadow Tracker, post: 2647688, member: 116439"] Wow this can get out of control with different views on hunting. The main word should be "Interntaional Kill". Some of us Hunt for Sport and get food as a second thought. Some MEAT hunt. Then there are the Sport and Control Hunters. Varmints and Predators fall into this category. There is the THRIL of the Kill. Varmint hunters help out Ranchers. Parrie Dogs can eat up over 30% of the grass land that the ranchers have for their Cattle. That means that the land they have can only support up to 70% of their herd. How would anyone like to loose over 30% of their income (well we are all loosing over 30% in our IRA or 401k since the new admin 2020)??? Hunters help with PD populations. Wood Chucks- If you ever went to a Dairy Farm and seen how hard they work 7/24/365. WoodChucks dig huge holes in the Hay fields. Not only the holes, but they dig up rocks. You should see the look on a farmer's face when they are barely making any money and their tractor breaks an axel on the tractor or the hay cutter breaks because or rocks going into it. Varmints breed and the better the farmland the more varmints! Now lets talk PREDITORS. Besides anything to do with farmers the wildlife that is decimated by Coyotes. If you were a Quail hunter 75-50 years ago in the South USA hunting was GREAT. Now it is hard to even find a Quail. Let's talk Deer. Are you a Deer Hunter? Coyotes can kill up to 75% of the Fawn population. You can KILL up to 75% of Coyotes and it will not affect their population. Big Predators Mountain Lion/Bear: If you are a Rancher and have a Lion come into your area you can lose a number of calves. have any idea what that calve will cost when full grown and the loss for that Rancher. Think about the loss of a full grown steer taken by a Bear. Yes we are intruding into the animals area, but not just killing to kill or it should not be that way. I really do not care for hunters that pay tens of thousands to shoot an animal and not eat it. Jill and I went to Africa and did Torphy hunt, but all the meat was eaten. Some by us and most by the tribes where we hunted. They don't hunt, can't hunt and the only meat thy eat is given by hunters. Then there is another type of hunting to dispatch animals that are destroying property and we don't or may eat them. I have shot hundreds of squirrels on my property because they were destroying my property (plus I got attacked by a Zombie Squirrel). We don't condone killing just to KILL-go shoot paper or steel. Full disclosure I recently asked about shooting a Skunk so that it would not spray. I would rather the skunk leave away from our house than spray our dogs. Probably the dogs' fault to get sprayed. Same with Porcupines. Porcupines DO NOT ATTACK Dogs. Dogs ATTACK Porcupines. I know, when I lived in PA my dog got it twice and my heart was crying one time when the quills were in his throat and the Vet took over an hour with both of us pulling quills. It was my fault to let Tobias (my dog) roam all night. NOT THE PORCUPINE! Sure if a Porcupine is damaging your property and won't leave, then you may have to dispatch it (trying to think of the right pronoun he, she, him, her, they). Just be a steward of wildlife and not just kill something just for the thrill of it or that you may be an animal sociopath. [/QUOTE]
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