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<blockquote data-quote="Fitch" data-source="post: 514905" data-attributes="member: 19372"><p>I can't say it enough - use a borescope in the store "before" you take the rifle home, or immediately after opening the box if you buy it online. In the two years since I've had access to a Hawkeye, I've learned more about factory barrels than in my previous 67 years. Trust me on this, you will see some ugly bores in factory rifles, regardless of brand. </p><p> </p><p>I have a Savage LRPV that was incredibly accurate out of the box. It would literally shoot slightly bigger than caliber size 5 shot groups with the Hornady 75g BTHP match bullet. I shot the throat out of it, set it back and it's still a 1/3 MOA rifle.</p><p> </p><p>I have a Savage 112BVSS in 7mmMAG </p><p> </p><p><img src="http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b336/frwillia/Savage112BVSSin7mmRemMagC-RS.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p> </p><p>that, after being bedded and recrowned, shoots 3 shots into groups like this: </p><p> </p><p><img src="http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b336/frwillia/GP-2Sav112BVSS7mmMAG150gTTSXRL25WLR.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p> </p><p>and has one of the best factory bores I've ever seen.</p><p> </p><p>However, that said, some of the worst I've ever seen were in Savages (the current worst bore I ever saw was in a CR Daley .22 Hornet - it came from the factory with almost no rifling on one side of the bore, none on the other). </p><p> </p><p>I had a Model 10 package rifle that would never shoot under 1.5" no matter what and fouled horribly. It had a 6" long bore section back a ways from the muzzle that looked like an annular file. Looked like this:</p><p> </p><p><img src="http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b336/frwillia/6inchesfrommuzzle-2.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p> </p><p>I've seen an unfired take off barrel from a new 10FP that had this for a throat:</p><p> </p><p><img src="http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b336/frwillia/Throat-1-C-RS.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p> </p><p>Not to pick in Savage, I've seen Remingtons with chambers way off center, and other strange things.</p><p> </p><p>The best factory barrels in my gunsafe for a long time were my two CZ527s (Hornet and .223), the Savage 112BVSS looked better. This is the throat in the 112BVSS after 30 rounds:</p><p> </p><p><img src="http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b336/frwillia/Throat-1.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p> </p><p>It has zero chatter marks from tooling which is amazing for a Savage. They almost always have at least light tooling marks across the lands and grooves.</p><p> </p><p>Bottom line: If you can't shoot it before you buy it, at least look in the bore. It might save you a lot of time and trouble. The main manufactures will stand behind their products, but most of them have delegated the quality assurance checking to us. While Savage has a deserved reputation for accuracy, I don't think Savage scopes the bore on production rifles because if they did, the one's I've seen would not have made it out the door. </p><p> </p><p>Fitch</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Fitch, post: 514905, member: 19372"] I can't say it enough - use a borescope in the store "before" you take the rifle home, or immediately after opening the box if you buy it online. In the two years since I've had access to a Hawkeye, I've learned more about factory barrels than in my previous 67 years. Trust me on this, you will see some ugly bores in factory rifles, regardless of brand. I have a Savage LRPV that was incredibly accurate out of the box. It would literally shoot slightly bigger than caliber size 5 shot groups with the Hornady 75g BTHP match bullet. I shot the throat out of it, set it back and it's still a 1/3 MOA rifle. I have a Savage 112BVSS in 7mmMAG [IMG]http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b336/frwillia/Savage112BVSSin7mmRemMagC-RS.jpg[/IMG] that, after being bedded and recrowned, shoots 3 shots into groups like this: [IMG]http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b336/frwillia/GP-2Sav112BVSS7mmMAG150gTTSXRL25WLR.jpg[/IMG] and has one of the best factory bores I've ever seen. However, that said, some of the worst I've ever seen were in Savages (the current worst bore I ever saw was in a CR Daley .22 Hornet - it came from the factory with almost no rifling on one side of the bore, none on the other). I had a Model 10 package rifle that would never shoot under 1.5" no matter what and fouled horribly. It had a 6" long bore section back a ways from the muzzle that looked like an annular file. Looked like this: [IMG]http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b336/frwillia/6inchesfrommuzzle-2.jpg[/IMG] I've seen an unfired take off barrel from a new 10FP that had this for a throat: [IMG]http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b336/frwillia/Throat-1-C-RS.jpg[/IMG] Not to pick in Savage, I've seen Remingtons with chambers way off center, and other strange things. The best factory barrels in my gunsafe for a long time were my two CZ527s (Hornet and .223), the Savage 112BVSS looked better. This is the throat in the 112BVSS after 30 rounds: [IMG]http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b336/frwillia/Throat-1.jpg[/IMG] It has zero chatter marks from tooling which is amazing for a Savage. They almost always have at least light tooling marks across the lands and grooves. Bottom line: If you can't shoot it before you buy it, at least look in the bore. It might save you a lot of time and trouble. The main manufactures will stand behind their products, but most of them have delegated the quality assurance checking to us. While Savage has a deserved reputation for accuracy, I don't think Savage scopes the bore on production rifles because if they did, the one's I've seen would not have made it out the door. Fitch [/QUOTE]
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