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<blockquote data-quote="NZTahr" data-source="post: 2456418" data-attributes="member: 108688"><p>You are correct. Good free range wild Red deer are mainly 10-14 points and what we call a classic style of being even on each side. A good free range and wild bred NZ Red deer tops out at about 14 points and is about 40" in length and spread. Anything better or bigger than that will probably have game park or estate blood in them. The game park/estate deer are not "genetically. modified" - just selectively bred to be big with multiple points. These Red deer are mainly on estates behind fences for "canned hunts" or are free range on large estates/sheep farms. They are most often released onto the farms rather than being wild bred there. There is a natural drift of these free range estate deer into public land so from time to time exceptional deer are shot by the ordinary person on public land that contain their genetics.</p><p></p><p>The pic in my avatar is a wild bred, public land Red deer that is representative of what the better heads are like.</p><p></p><p>Mostly us Kiwi's hunt public land and look slightly sideways at people who pay to hunt on estates or behind the wire. We also accept that it is each to their own and if thats what blows your hair back we say go for it. Until Covid, estate and public land hunting by over seas visitors has been a great source of over seas funds for the country.</p><p></p><p>There are still many opportunities for a do it yourself hunt for you in NZ. The chances of getting a good Tahr or Chamois are reasonably high if you put the leg work in. Getting a good representative Red deer should not be difficult, but if you want one of those big ugly multi point things you will need to open your wallet. The wider you open it the bigger the deer and easier the hunt will be. You will have bought your bragging rights though, not earned them.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="NZTahr, post: 2456418, member: 108688"] You are correct. Good free range wild Red deer are mainly 10-14 points and what we call a classic style of being even on each side. A good free range and wild bred NZ Red deer tops out at about 14 points and is about 40" in length and spread. Anything better or bigger than that will probably have game park or estate blood in them. The game park/estate deer are not "genetically. modified" - just selectively bred to be big with multiple points. These Red deer are mainly on estates behind fences for "canned hunts" or are free range on large estates/sheep farms. They are most often released onto the farms rather than being wild bred there. There is a natural drift of these free range estate deer into public land so from time to time exceptional deer are shot by the ordinary person on public land that contain their genetics. The pic in my avatar is a wild bred, public land Red deer that is representative of what the better heads are like. Mostly us Kiwi's hunt public land and look slightly sideways at people who pay to hunt on estates or behind the wire. We also accept that it is each to their own and if thats what blows your hair back we say go for it. Until Covid, estate and public land hunting by over seas visitors has been a great source of over seas funds for the country. There are still many opportunities for a do it yourself hunt for you in NZ. The chances of getting a good Tahr or Chamois are reasonably high if you put the leg work in. Getting a good representative Red deer should not be difficult, but if you want one of those big ugly multi point things you will need to open your wallet. The wider you open it the bigger the deer and easier the hunt will be. You will have bought your bragging rights though, not earned them. [/QUOTE]
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