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new rifle for my son
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<blockquote data-quote="Thebear_78" data-source="post: 1060914" data-attributes="member: 1545"><p>Here is what I did for my son. My son is on the smaller side and left eye dominant. He shoots much better left handed. This put a serious limitation on available rifle options. I did have a T/C Encore that was ambidextrous and was able to cut down a 308 barrel to 17.25" and put a 4 position m4 style stock on it. This allowed for a very compact little rifle, still heavy enough to help deaden the recoil but very compact and allowed for down to a 10" LOP.</p><p></p><p><a href="http://s9.photobucket.com/user/Thebear_78/media/IMG_0272.jpg.html" target="_blank"><img src="http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a54/Thebear_78/IMG_0272.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></a></p><p></p><p>It's still heavy enough that he has to use standing shooting sticks for offhand shooting but as far as a good safe, accurate, rifle that can grow with him I don't think you could do much better.</p><p></p><p>The real trick to getting them set up is handling recoil. This can easily be done by loading up reduced loads with trailboss powder. I loaded 150gr Nosler BT with 10gr of Trailboss. This clocks right out the barrel at 1025fps from his 308. Its very accurate and with almost no recoil and muzzle blast equal to that of a 22 mag. I have used these loads and this rifle to introduce several other kids to shooting. I would load these up and have him shoot them for sevdral months before I ever started building up loads. </p><p></p><p>This is my buddies daughter trying them. She was very recoil shy but didn't mind the trailboss loads at all</p><p></p><p><a href="http://vid9.photobucket.com/albums/a54/Thebear_78/videos/reduced%20308_zpstr4bw7bt.mp4" target="_blank">http://vid9.photobucket.com/albums/a54/Thebear_78/videos/reduced 308_zpstr4bw7bt.mp4</a></p><p></p><p></p><p>I then slowly upped the power level for a few rounds each range trip until he is now comfortable with 130TTSX @ 3000fps and this is the load that he will use for bears and moose this fall. </p><p></p><p>Another very important thing is that you need to get them shooting off a standing cross stick or some other supporting device. Even though that little encore only weighs 7 pounds its still close to 10% of his body weight. You can't expect someone to shoot that much weight offhand. It would be like me shooting a 35 pound rifle offhand. It will only cause poor posture and bad shooting habits. Shooting off standing sticks also helps to handle recoil a lot easier than shooting form a bench. </p><p></p><p>Lastly paper targets get boring very quickly, and it can be hard to hold thier focus. Balloons are your best friend. Get a package of ballons and one of those hand pumps to inflate them. I have had a lot better luck getting the kids to pop balloons at all ranges over shooting paper. That instant feedback and gratification is key to keeping them interested and balloons are light and easy to work with compared to clay pigeons or other reactive targets.</p><p></p><p>The 7mm08 will be fine but I went with a 308 because we have some cartridge power requirements for certain big game that you can't get to with anything smaller than a 308. In a pinch I can run a 200gr speer @ 2250-2300 in the 308 and still qualify for bison.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Thebear_78, post: 1060914, member: 1545"] Here is what I did for my son. My son is on the smaller side and left eye dominant. He shoots much better left handed. This put a serious limitation on available rifle options. I did have a T/C Encore that was ambidextrous and was able to cut down a 308 barrel to 17.25” and put a 4 position m4 style stock on it. This allowed for a very compact little rifle, still heavy enough to help deaden the recoil but very compact and allowed for down to a 10” LOP. [URL=http://s9.photobucket.com/user/Thebear_78/media/IMG_0272.jpg.html][IMG]http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a54/Thebear_78/IMG_0272.jpg[/IMG][/URL] It’s still heavy enough that he has to use standing shooting sticks for offhand shooting but as far as a good safe, accurate, rifle that can grow with him I don’t think you could do much better. The real trick to getting them set up is handling recoil. This can easily be done by loading up reduced loads with trailboss powder. I loaded 150gr Nosler BT with 10gr of Trailboss. This clocks right out the barrel at 1025fps from his 308. Its very accurate and with almost no recoil and muzzle blast equal to that of a 22 mag. I have used these loads and this rifle to introduce several other kids to shooting. I would load these up and have him shoot them for sevdral months before I ever started building up loads. This is my buddies daughter trying them. She was very recoil shy but didn’t mind the trailboss loads at all [url]http://vid9.photobucket.com/albums/a54/Thebear_78/videos/reduced%20308_zpstr4bw7bt.mp4[/url] I then slowly upped the power level for a few rounds each range trip until he is now comfortable with 130TTSX @ 3000fps and this is the load that he will use for bears and moose this fall. Another very important thing is that you need to get them shooting off a standing cross stick or some other supporting device. Even though that little encore only weighs 7 pounds its still close to 10% of his body weight. You can’t expect someone to shoot that much weight offhand. It would be like me shooting a 35 pound rifle offhand. It will only cause poor posture and bad shooting habits. Shooting off standing sticks also helps to handle recoil a lot easier than shooting form a bench. Lastly paper targets get boring very quickly, and it can be hard to hold thier focus. Balloons are your best friend. Get a package of ballons and one of those hand pumps to inflate them. I have had a lot better luck getting the kids to pop balloons at all ranges over shooting paper. That instant feedback and gratification is key to keeping them interested and balloons are light and easy to work with compared to clay pigeons or other reactive targets. The 7mm08 will be fine but I went with a 308 because we have some cartridge power requirements for certain big game that you can’t get to with anything smaller than a 308. In a pinch I can run a 200gr speer @ 2250-2300 in the 308 and still qualify for bison. [/QUOTE]
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