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<blockquote data-quote="LRNut" data-source="post: 3057718" data-attributes="member: 3230"><p>I listened to the entire podcast but I wonder how many who posted on this thread did based on the comments.</p><p></p><p>I have said many times I love the WEZ approach; I founded a software company that provides data analytics to just about every paper mill in the US (and a few other industries) and consequently, I am a huge fan of applying statistics to shooting. You can't argue with math.</p><p></p><p> A few things I wished he would have said:</p><p>1. Practicing on a range is almost a waste of time for the simple fact you have wind flags and you can see wind at the target from the "puffs" of dirt from other shooters. Huge advantage.</p><p>2. Time of flight at ranges beyond 900 yards will degrade your wind call simply because even if perfect, it can change during the TOF (it would be great if this could be modeled).</p><p>3. One shot is the best practice (anyone can correct a wind miss and generally be better the second shot although they can certainly "chase the wind") but even when I hit my 4" square at 900 (which is maybe 20% of the time in favorable conditions) I often wonder if I missed the wind but the natural group dispersion made up for it (Jack O'Connor used to call this the "wibbles making up for the wobbles").</p><p>4. A discussion of mirage would be a great podcast. In my experience, the higher the humidity, the easier it is to read mirage.</p><p>5. It is amazing how many times when I shoot in the mountains at my Colorado place (which is several times a day when I am there) I might think the wind is zero, especially after sunrise but before there is mirage, but a shot at 900 proves otherwise. I can't tell you how many times I think my zero is off, or the barrel is dirty, etc. so I walk 30 feet to my gun vault, grab another rifle, and promptly hit the same place. My observation is that in Arizona if I call it calm in the morning, I am almost never fooled. </p><p></p><p>if you listen to the podcast, he is essentially saying that no one has any business shooting at game beyond 600 yards and only then if their wind call skills are great; the 700 yard example was on a 14"x14" target with a 1/2 mph wind call, which he said was not realistic. Maybe 14"x14" works for a moose or elk, but not on a deer and certainly not on an antelope.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="LRNut, post: 3057718, member: 3230"] I listened to the entire podcast but I wonder how many who posted on this thread did based on the comments. I have said many times I love the WEZ approach; I founded a software company that provides data analytics to just about every paper mill in the US (and a few other industries) and consequently, I am a huge fan of applying statistics to shooting. You can't argue with math. A few things I wished he would have said: 1. Practicing on a range is almost a waste of time for the simple fact you have wind flags and you can see wind at the target from the "puffs" of dirt from other shooters. Huge advantage. 2. Time of flight at ranges beyond 900 yards will degrade your wind call simply because even if perfect, it can change during the TOF (it would be great if this could be modeled). 3. One shot is the best practice (anyone can correct a wind miss and generally be better the second shot although they can certainly "chase the wind") but even when I hit my 4" square at 900 (which is maybe 20% of the time in favorable conditions) I often wonder if I missed the wind but the natural group dispersion made up for it (Jack O'Connor used to call this the "wibbles making up for the wobbles"). 4. A discussion of mirage would be a great podcast. In my experience, the higher the humidity, the easier it is to read mirage. 5. It is amazing how many times when I shoot in the mountains at my Colorado place (which is several times a day when I am there) I might think the wind is zero, especially after sunrise but before there is mirage, but a shot at 900 proves otherwise. I can't tell you how many times I think my zero is off, or the barrel is dirty, etc. so I walk 30 feet to my gun vault, grab another rifle, and promptly hit the same place. My observation is that in Arizona if I call it calm in the morning, I am almost never fooled. if you listen to the podcast, he is essentially saying that no one has any business shooting at game beyond 600 yards and only then if their wind call skills are great; the 700 yard example was on a 14"x14" target with a 1/2 mph wind call, which he said was not realistic. Maybe 14"x14" works for a moose or elk, but not on a deer and certainly not on an antelope. [/QUOTE]
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