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<blockquote data-quote="ENCORE" data-source="post: 1293236" data-attributes="member: 33046"><p>Many shooters, not plinkers, are getting less than moa at 300yds. I know of one shooter who is getting moa at 700yds, but he's <strong>FAR</strong> from a plinker.</p><p></p><p>Remington has came a long way with their barrels since the initial release, where a few bad barrels got out. Because they are "different" than what some guys are used to (shrink wrapped break open rifles), some have had difficulty accepting the change.</p><p></p><p>There's a couple things you should know. First, most muzzleloader shooters are "extended season hunters". Most have never shot beyond 100yds. Next, they hear about a long range muzzleloader, buy one and put a $50 scope and $30 rings on it, thinking they will be shooting single hole groups at 300yds. Ain't going to happen. You can't hit what you can't see. Example... take a 3" circle and place it 300yds away, then look through a variable at 7x or 9x scope at it. Its pretty tiny.</p><p></p><p>The rifle has extremely heavy recoil and <u>they are NOT for the recoil shy </u>when shooting near or maximum charges. Some shooters will actually tell you the recoil is "violent".</p><p>Because of the recoil, the strongest mounts and rings are HIGHLY recommended. The rifle will destroy cheap mounts, rings and scopes. You will never maintain tight groups when the scope, mounts and rings move. It takes quality and proper mounting with such recoil.</p><p></p><p>They have their advantages, such as just dropping a primed case into the chamber and closing the bolt. You can do it with heavy gloves easily at -10. If you use T7M pellets instead of loose or Pyrodex, you can completely clean the rifle with 5 patches. Yes, you must swab between shots. You re-prime your brass case, which to some is more work while they're watching re-runs on TV.</p><p></p><p>If you want a much better long range BP or BPS rifle, much higher in quality which includes price, you should look at the Ultimate Firearms Inc. BP Xpress rifle. Believe me when I say, they are more accurate than most shooters can shoot.</p><p><a href="http://ultimatefirearms.com/" target="_blank">Muzzleloader - Long Range Muzzleloader - Custom Muzzleloader: Ultimate Firearms</a></p><p></p><p>Examples:</p><p></p><p><a href="http://s1343.photobucket.com/user/BarnesAddict/media/IMG_0263%20reduced%20resolution_zpsu6u7p15e.jpg.html" target="_blank"><img src="http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o800/BarnesAddict/IMG_0263%20reduced%20resolution_zpsu6u7p15e.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></a></p><p></p><p>My very first 500yd 3-shot group. Witnessed and signed.</p><p></p><p><a href="http://s1343.photobucket.com/user/BarnesAddict/media/IMG_0146_zpsf4kitrpl.jpg.html" target="_blank"><img src="http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o800/BarnesAddict/IMG_0146_zpsf4kitrpl.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></a></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ENCORE, post: 1293236, member: 33046"] Many shooters, not plinkers, are getting less than moa at 300yds. I know of one shooter who is getting moa at 700yds, but he's [B]FAR[/B] from a plinker. Remington has came a long way with their barrels since the initial release, where a few bad barrels got out. Because they are "different" than what some guys are used to (shrink wrapped break open rifles), some have had difficulty accepting the change. There's a couple things you should know. First, most muzzleloader shooters are "extended season hunters". Most have never shot beyond 100yds. Next, they hear about a long range muzzleloader, buy one and put a $50 scope and $30 rings on it, thinking they will be shooting single hole groups at 300yds. Ain't going to happen. You can't hit what you can't see. Example... take a 3" circle and place it 300yds away, then look through a variable at 7x or 9x scope at it. Its pretty tiny. The rifle has extremely heavy recoil and [U]they are NOT for the recoil shy [/U]when shooting near or maximum charges. Some shooters will actually tell you the recoil is "violent". Because of the recoil, the strongest mounts and rings are HIGHLY recommended. The rifle will destroy cheap mounts, rings and scopes. You will never maintain tight groups when the scope, mounts and rings move. It takes quality and proper mounting with such recoil. They have their advantages, such as just dropping a primed case into the chamber and closing the bolt. You can do it with heavy gloves easily at -10. If you use T7M pellets instead of loose or Pyrodex, you can completely clean the rifle with 5 patches. Yes, you must swab between shots. You re-prime your brass case, which to some is more work while they're watching re-runs on TV. If you want a much better long range BP or BPS rifle, much higher in quality which includes price, you should look at the Ultimate Firearms Inc. BP Xpress rifle. Believe me when I say, they are more accurate than most shooters can shoot. [url=http://ultimatefirearms.com/]Muzzleloader - Long Range Muzzleloader - Custom Muzzleloader: Ultimate Firearms[/url] Examples: [URL=http://s1343.photobucket.com/user/BarnesAddict/media/IMG_0263%20reduced%20resolution_zpsu6u7p15e.jpg.html][IMG]http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o800/BarnesAddict/IMG_0263%20reduced%20resolution_zpsu6u7p15e.jpg[/IMG][/URL] My very first 500yd 3-shot group. Witnessed and signed. [URL=http://s1343.photobucket.com/user/BarnesAddict/media/IMG_0146_zpsf4kitrpl.jpg.html][IMG]http://i1343.photobucket.com/albums/o800/BarnesAddict/IMG_0146_zpsf4kitrpl.jpg[/IMG][/URL] [/QUOTE]
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