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<blockquote data-quote="Plinker147" data-source="post: 1786231" data-attributes="member: 88320"><p>The biggest issue the wolf cause and nobody measures in the calf kills. They are hard on recruitment, once your recruitment drops below 25-30% your herd will start to fail. Its not noticeable for a few years but then the herd will crash in exponential style. This stat is never brought up and monitored because the wolf eat bones and all of calves, there will be nothing left but a blood spot, i've seen it too many times.</p><p></p><p>Relying on Federal F&W info is like trusting the fox to guard the hen house. Most are not hunters, and most tend towards the anti-side. For example the wolf populations that the fed say they need to be recovered are so far above what they should be its ridiculous. They have no data to show what historic wold densities were, so they pulled numbers out of their you know whats. The numbers they are using in NM are absolutely absurd. I have first hand knowledge of all the shady, behind close door stuff they woofy's have done in NM they CAN NOT be trusted. There numbers on livestock kills aren't even close to whats really happening</p><p></p><p>Bottom line the wolf issue is just another tool for the anti's to get rid of hunting, and other activities. Just like logging and the spotted owls. If they were truly interested in co-existing they could have made reasonable wolf population numbers that hunters could have tolerated.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Plinker147, post: 1786231, member: 88320"] The biggest issue the wolf cause and nobody measures in the calf kills. They are hard on recruitment, once your recruitment drops below 25-30% your herd will start to fail. Its not noticeable for a few years but then the herd will crash in exponential style. This stat is never brought up and monitored because the wolf eat bones and all of calves, there will be nothing left but a blood spot, i've seen it too many times. Relying on Federal F&W info is like trusting the fox to guard the hen house. Most are not hunters, and most tend towards the anti-side. For example the wolf populations that the fed say they need to be recovered are so far above what they should be its ridiculous. They have no data to show what historic wold densities were, so they pulled numbers out of their you know whats. The numbers they are using in NM are absolutely absurd. I have first hand knowledge of all the shady, behind close door stuff they woofy's have done in NM they CAN NOT be trusted. There numbers on livestock kills aren't even close to whats really happening Bottom line the wolf issue is just another tool for the anti's to get rid of hunting, and other activities. Just like logging and the spotted owls. If they were truly interested in co-existing they could have made reasonable wolf population numbers that hunters could have tolerated. [/QUOTE]
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