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Muzzleloader Hunting
Is this where muzzleloading is going?!
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<blockquote data-quote="Starbuck" data-source="post: 2702982" data-attributes="member: 120719"><p>I've been trying to squeeze the most out of ML's for a couple of decades. Without seeing the ballistics of the bullet it's launching or the powder charge, it's hard to say, but IME 750yds is a stretch as far as retained velocity and, by extension, terminal performance of the bullet. I guess, if it's starting at 3k it would get you there. Further, I've read that they used to tip buffalos over at 500+ with 45-70's and the like.</p><p></p><p>With my current efforts, I'd put max effective range somewhere in the 450 range, give or take. This is with 130 grn BH and various 45 cal projectiles, so velocities are less than what the OP posted. Beyond 400, the bullets I've used - which is most of the more modern ML bullets - really loose velocity and arc back to the earth so steeply that exact range becomes hyper critical. The other issue with an ML is that there's not really an ability to correct for a miss or poor hit on the first shot.</p><p></p><p>I stick with BH over smokeless because some states disallow smokeless. For the same reason I stick with .45 caliber projectiles. Certainly, dropping down in caliber and using smokeless is going to help the cause.</p><p></p><p>As far as where this is all going . . . I hunt special seasons with the most capable equipment I can get because they're there and I like to get out. But it is getting ridiculous with all the cross bows and long range ML's. At what point is it so close to using a traditional rifle that season distinction is absurd? </p><p></p><p>If they want to pare the special seasons down to traditional bows and open sighted ML's, I wouldn't be opposed to it. I also wouldn't mind making it so that deer season is deer season, and you fill the tag how you want. If they want to spread pressure out, make it so that you have to apply for a week or time period.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Starbuck, post: 2702982, member: 120719"] I've been trying to squeeze the most out of ML's for a couple of decades. Without seeing the ballistics of the bullet it's launching or the powder charge, it's hard to say, but IME 750yds is a stretch as far as retained velocity and, by extension, terminal performance of the bullet. I guess, if it's starting at 3k it would get you there. Further, I've read that they used to tip buffalos over at 500+ with 45-70's and the like. With my current efforts, I'd put max effective range somewhere in the 450 range, give or take. This is with 130 grn BH and various 45 cal projectiles, so velocities are less than what the OP posted. Beyond 400, the bullets I've used - which is most of the more modern ML bullets - really loose velocity and arc back to the earth so steeply that exact range becomes hyper critical. The other issue with an ML is that there's not really an ability to correct for a miss or poor hit on the first shot. I stick with BH over smokeless because some states disallow smokeless. For the same reason I stick with .45 caliber projectiles. Certainly, dropping down in caliber and using smokeless is going to help the cause. As far as where this is all going . . . I hunt special seasons with the most capable equipment I can get because they're there and I like to get out. But it is getting ridiculous with all the cross bows and long range ML's. At what point is it so close to using a traditional rifle that season distinction is absurd? If they want to pare the special seasons down to traditional bows and open sighted ML's, I wouldn't be opposed to it. I also wouldn't mind making it so that deer season is deer season, and you fill the tag how you want. If they want to spread pressure out, make it so that you have to apply for a week or time period. [/QUOTE]
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