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<blockquote data-quote="jeffbird" data-source="post: 307358" data-attributes="member: 4916"><p>Kirby, </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>They are in no way some of the "more famous" white-tail ranches, not even close. To throw out some of the more widely known "famous" white-tail ranches, try the Briscoe Gates or Briscoe Catarina, and King Ranch for some of the largers ones, but there are 100's of smaller ones (2,000 - 10,000 acres is my definition of smaller for this purpose) with no web presence and no high fence. They are mostly leased, not advertised for the public, but are word of mouth and invitation only.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I'll be the first one to say there is too much high fence and I am increasingly against it anywhere and think that most all of it ought to come down, but your statement is simply incorrect. I do bird surveys in Central and South Texas and have the chance to see lots of the country. There are a few places in Central Texas with ranchettes where it proliferates, and it is spreading in South Texas to fend off poor management practices of adjacent landowners, but it does not even cover a fraction of 1% of the fencelines or roadways of the state.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>That is a fair statement. High fence on 10,000 acres is a fundamentally different situation than under 1,000 acres. It is a series of shades of gray. </p><p> </p><p>I did take my wife to a high fence ranch of a few thousand acres once to see. It was pleasant and big deer were not just walking around to pick off a shelf like a grocery store. The owner was very nice, gracious and thoughtful. It was a good experience and he had created an oasis for deer in a place where they were otherwise scarce. Those are all positives and I would not condemn what he has done, but it is not for me. I'm at a point where I will stick to open range ranches. Some selectively put up sections of high fence to cut off uncooperative neighbors and I can live with that, as long as the ranch as a whole is not fenced in. Like I said, it's shade of gray.</p><p></p><p>Hands down THE WORST experience I have ever had hunting was on the one time I spent lots of money to hunt on a large open range ranch. The owner was piling hunters in without any regard to the amount of pressure being put on the land or animals. In comparison, the smaller high fence operation where I took my wife was extraordinarily well managed, and ethically run. As a consequence of these two extremes, I will not condemn all high fence or endorse all open range operations - it depends on the particular landowner or leaseholders. </p><p></p><p>The economic driver underlying this whole problem is men willing to spend dollars to have a big rack on a wall. The big rack does not make someone a big man. It is a reflection of a landowner's years and decades of hard work.</p><p></p><p>What is making me absolutely sick and is in no way acceptable is a practice that so far as I have encountered is happening in the Mid-West and Central Canada, where pen raised deer are released into enclosures of a few hundred acres. It is ought to banned with no exceptions. </p><p></p><p>Now, just to finish the spectrum of here is an add from EBAY for a hunt in Wisconsin, is there anyone on here that thinks this is ok?</p><p></p><p>"One of the big reasons hunters hunt with us is you can hunt by yourself without having someone look over your shoulder telling you what deer to shoot. We trust our hunters and want them to have a great experience. We take the extra effort to score our deer prior to putting them in the preserve and prior to you hunting. When we score them we put a small colored tag in the ear that coorelates to the size of the animal. We have done this the last 2 years and everyone has loved it. No more mistakes in scoring, no extra fees because the animal is a little larger. You can still shoot a larger size animal if you like and you will know what it costs when you pull the trigger, release the arrow, etc. You will find the deer at our ranch as challenging to hunt as anywhere inside or outside of a preserve. The tags are for ease in scoring and only allows our hunters to have the hunt of their dreams without interference. There is a guide that is there to take care of your needs at all times. He takes you to the stand, picks you up whenever you like. We transport, dress, and cape your animal. We take your deer for meat processing if requested and take care of your cape and horns as requested, whether it is to ship home or send them to our reccommended taxidermist. It is your hunt and we do whatever you want to do. You set the time you want to go hunting, come in, etc"</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="jeffbird, post: 307358, member: 4916"] Kirby, They are in no way some of the "more famous" white-tail ranches, not even close. To throw out some of the more widely known "famous" white-tail ranches, try the Briscoe Gates or Briscoe Catarina, and King Ranch for some of the largers ones, but there are 100's of smaller ones (2,000 - 10,000 acres is my definition of smaller for this purpose) with no web presence and no high fence. They are mostly leased, not advertised for the public, but are word of mouth and invitation only. I'll be the first one to say there is too much high fence and I am increasingly against it anywhere and think that most all of it ought to come down, but your statement is simply incorrect. I do bird surveys in Central and South Texas and have the chance to see lots of the country. There are a few places in Central Texas with ranchettes where it proliferates, and it is spreading in South Texas to fend off poor management practices of adjacent landowners, but it does not even cover a fraction of 1% of the fencelines or roadways of the state. That is a fair statement. High fence on 10,000 acres is a fundamentally different situation than under 1,000 acres. It is a series of shades of gray. I did take my wife to a high fence ranch of a few thousand acres once to see. It was pleasant and big deer were not just walking around to pick off a shelf like a grocery store. The owner was very nice, gracious and thoughtful. It was a good experience and he had created an oasis for deer in a place where they were otherwise scarce. Those are all positives and I would not condemn what he has done, but it is not for me. I'm at a point where I will stick to open range ranches. Some selectively put up sections of high fence to cut off uncooperative neighbors and I can live with that, as long as the ranch as a whole is not fenced in. Like I said, it's shade of gray. Hands down THE WORST experience I have ever had hunting was on the one time I spent lots of money to hunt on a large open range ranch. The owner was piling hunters in without any regard to the amount of pressure being put on the land or animals. In comparison, the smaller high fence operation where I took my wife was extraordinarily well managed, and ethically run. As a consequence of these two extremes, I will not condemn all high fence or endorse all open range operations - it depends on the particular landowner or leaseholders. The economic driver underlying this whole problem is men willing to spend dollars to have a big rack on a wall. The big rack does not make someone a big man. It is a reflection of a landowner's years and decades of hard work. What is making me absolutely sick and is in no way acceptable is a practice that so far as I have encountered is happening in the Mid-West and Central Canada, where pen raised deer are released into enclosures of a few hundred acres. It is ought to banned with no exceptions. Now, just to finish the spectrum of here is an add from EBAY for a hunt in Wisconsin, is there anyone on here that thinks this is ok? "One of the big reasons hunters hunt with us is you can hunt by yourself without having someone look over your shoulder telling you what deer to shoot. We trust our hunters and want them to have a great experience. We take the extra effort to score our deer prior to putting them in the preserve and prior to you hunting. When we score them we put a small colored tag in the ear that coorelates to the size of the animal. We have done this the last 2 years and everyone has loved it. No more mistakes in scoring, no extra fees because the animal is a little larger. You can still shoot a larger size animal if you like and you will know what it costs when you pull the trigger, release the arrow, etc. You will find the deer at our ranch as challenging to hunt as anywhere inside or outside of a preserve. The tags are for ease in scoring and only allows our hunters to have the hunt of their dreams without interference. There is a guide that is there to take care of your needs at all times. He takes you to the stand, picks you up whenever you like. We transport, dress, and cape your animal. We take your deer for meat processing if requested and take care of your cape and horns as requested, whether it is to ship home or send them to our reccommended taxidermist. It is your hunt and we do whatever you want to do. You set the time you want to go hunting, come in, etc" [/QUOTE]
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