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<blockquote data-quote="mrbb" data-source="post: 1176764" data-attributes="member: 11837"><p>so if I am reading this right a lot of us here don't think PA is what it once was, or that GC< has done a great job running it</p><p></p><p>However, as for Dr Gary Alt, I think what many are missing on him is, he was NOT a bear biologist when he started working at the GC, he was a warden, that was it!</p><p>it was his love of bears that sent him the direction he when in, and he became the worlds most known bear biologist due to all the steps he took and they all were not job related or paid for</p><p> he wanted to find out what made bears tick , and he did all the studies he did around the globe on bears , to find out. What he learned was info used world wide</p><p> THE PA GC should have had someone doing the same job he did on bears on deer, , it should never have been HIM that took on the deer deal, he was rather forced into it, and he was left out hang out and get blamed for so many things he didn't cause, and the GC in the end, didn't even take care of the guy that made them famous for its bears</p><p>(PA has the heaviest beats in the world on average, something ONLY discovered thru ALt!)</p><p> Plus the Fame Dr Alt got, also gave the GC a LOT of pat's on the back for his hard work, which again I feel they do all too often, try taking credit for others work!</p><p></p><p></p><p>a Game dept, should have had an expert working on staff on all species in PA, or at least one that did a few at a time, and should have all the more so hired one as certain species were going south in numbers, as well as habitat!</p><p></p><p> as pheasants was a total failure on there part</p><p> they blamed farmers, then chemicals, and then habitat</p><p></p><p>and never once said WE screwed up!!</p><p></p><p> and we all know there are NO farmers in places like ND/SD and such?? LOL</p><p> and well, farmers there used same chemicals as did farmers around here??</p><p> so, Habitat?? HUMM!!</p><p>well, since they can control a LARGE part of that, (AKA GAME LANDS)</p><p> if habitat was failing, shouldn't they have stepped up and fixed it??</p><p>or the habitat that they controlled???</p><p></p><p> pen raised birds didn't do that, not even close!! and didn't even have anything to do with habitat, farming or chemicals?? which they blamed!!??</p><p> </p><p></p><p> NO< Pa is a good state, due to amounts of land and game SOME places have</p><p> but its far from what it once was!!</p><p></p><p> those of us old enough know this, WAY better than the newer generations that think Antler restriction was a fix all for our deer!</p><p></p><p>Might take some heat for saying this, but IMO< one of PA"s biggest issue's is cheaters</p><p> having had a gun shop, being a farmer and working in a butcher shop, and well, hearing story after story</p><p> its almost as if cheating is a RIGHT to fat too many residents</p><p></p><p>if its brown its down, was a rule too many guys lived by, and still in many area's I go</p><p> folks are proud about there kills in season or not, they don't care!</p><p></p><p> they were raised that way</p><p> I will say, many more Trophy hunters now, newer generations DON"T Seem this way as much</p><p></p><p> I see this more in locals, and NOT the hunters that travel to hunting camps</p><p></p><p> too many locals seem to think they live there, so its THERE DEER! to do as they please</p><p></p><p>some day I hope there are a lot less cheaters in PA, but where I'm from??</p><p>its not happening any time soon</p><p></p><p>and YES I have TRIED to turn in many over the yrs, that's a whole nother issue with the GC I have there!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="mrbb, post: 1176764, member: 11837"] so if I am reading this right a lot of us here don't think PA is what it once was, or that GC< has done a great job running it However, as for Dr Gary Alt, I think what many are missing on him is, he was NOT a bear biologist when he started working at the GC, he was a warden, that was it! it was his love of bears that sent him the direction he when in, and he became the worlds most known bear biologist due to all the steps he took and they all were not job related or paid for he wanted to find out what made bears tick , and he did all the studies he did around the globe on bears , to find out. What he learned was info used world wide THE PA GC should have had someone doing the same job he did on bears on deer, , it should never have been HIM that took on the deer deal, he was rather forced into it, and he was left out hang out and get blamed for so many things he didn't cause, and the GC in the end, didn't even take care of the guy that made them famous for its bears (PA has the heaviest beats in the world on average, something ONLY discovered thru ALt!) Plus the Fame Dr Alt got, also gave the GC a LOT of pat's on the back for his hard work, which again I feel they do all too often, try taking credit for others work! a Game dept, should have had an expert working on staff on all species in PA, or at least one that did a few at a time, and should have all the more so hired one as certain species were going south in numbers, as well as habitat! as pheasants was a total failure on there part they blamed farmers, then chemicals, and then habitat and never once said WE screwed up!! and we all know there are NO farmers in places like ND/SD and such?? LOL and well, farmers there used same chemicals as did farmers around here?? so, Habitat?? HUMM!! well, since they can control a LARGE part of that, (AKA GAME LANDS) if habitat was failing, shouldn't they have stepped up and fixed it?? or the habitat that they controlled??? pen raised birds didn't do that, not even close!! and didn't even have anything to do with habitat, farming or chemicals?? which they blamed!!?? NO< Pa is a good state, due to amounts of land and game SOME places have but its far from what it once was!! those of us old enough know this, WAY better than the newer generations that think Antler restriction was a fix all for our deer! Might take some heat for saying this, but IMO< one of PA"s biggest issue's is cheaters having had a gun shop, being a farmer and working in a butcher shop, and well, hearing story after story its almost as if cheating is a RIGHT to fat too many residents if its brown its down, was a rule too many guys lived by, and still in many area's I go folks are proud about there kills in season or not, they don't care! they were raised that way I will say, many more Trophy hunters now, newer generations DON"T Seem this way as much I see this more in locals, and NOT the hunters that travel to hunting camps too many locals seem to think they live there, so its THERE DEER! to do as they please some day I hope there are a lot less cheaters in PA, but where I'm from?? its not happening any time soon and YES I have TRIED to turn in many over the yrs, that's a whole nother issue with the GC I have there! [/QUOTE]
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