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<blockquote data-quote="dfanonymous" data-source="post: 2243892" data-attributes="member: 97050"><p>I know that's what was taught. I've had wasted countless days getting good at mirage but it's not an end all be all way of determining wind at long to extreme range. It's not just me. Even some of the best shooters in the world to include Emil Praslick agree that mirage has limitations.</p><p></p><p>In a tactical setting…or in Texas, it's useless at night. And it's useless in areas that have a lot of terrain features. It also doesn't help you with anything taking place at max ord.</p><p></p><p>A) I am not the guys you see at the range.</p><p>B) the kestrel is a issued piece of military kit. For a reason.</p><p>C) So everyone who shoots PRS/NRL is just some garbage shooter? Bryan litz at ko2m getting first round impacts at two miles away with a 1/4 moa group is what? Because of mirage? Lol</p><p></p><p>You're trying to explain something to me, like I don't understand mirage…I do…it just isn't the only way or the best way to do things. It's A way. A tool of many tools.</p><p></p><p>While I subscribe to the thought that ALL wind matters, the wind at the shooter is the most important, and the wind at the target has the least influence to a wind solution. You're much better off understanding the fluid dynamics of the terrain you are shooting in and combing them with your knowledge of mirage.</p><p></p><p>Mirage is not "autocorrecting." it's not telling you angle or the distance of that gust the way you are describing it. Not in an accurate way to the mph. You or a spotter can pan the spotting scope until you reach a boil and that will be the no value point of the wind, and the direction offset direction of the spotting scope relative to the target will be your cosine angle.</p><p></p><p>If you're watching the waves turn into a boil at the 1030 (.707) at 1200y from your position, and you know the wind is 8 mph high gust with 7mph average coming from your o'clock (.866) at your position because you have a kestrel…what is your down range winds high gust if you're gun shoots .5 mil per 6 mph before bc degradation?</p><p></p><p>No, a hunter doesn't need to do all this, or have this level of understanding, of wind. I realize it's a headache but I want you to realize that you're not convincing me of anything. I know how to shoot in wind.</p><p></p><p>The answer is roughly 6.5 mph at 1200y using non auto correcting mirage and the kestrel.</p><p>Average that out with 8mph if you are shooting in the gust, plus add .2 for BC degradation and plus .1 mrad for spin. You have a solution. The limitation of this word problem is real world conditions but the process is the same.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="dfanonymous, post: 2243892, member: 97050"] I know that’s what was taught. I’ve had wasted countless days getting good at mirage but it’s not an end all be all way of determining wind at long to extreme range. It’s not just me. Even some of the best shooters in the world to include Emil Praslick agree that mirage has limitations. In a tactical setting…or in Texas, it’s useless at night. And it’s useless in areas that have a lot of terrain features. It also doesn’t help you with anything taking place at max ord. A) I am not the guys you see at the range. B) the kestrel is a issued piece of military kit. For a reason. C) So everyone who shoots PRS/NRL is just some garbage shooter? Bryan litz at ko2m getting first round impacts at two miles away with a 1/4 moa group is what? Because of mirage? Lol You’re trying to explain something to me, like I don’t understand mirage…I do…it just isn’t the only way or the best way to do things. It’s A way. A tool of many tools. While I subscribe to the thought that ALL wind matters, the wind at the shooter is the most important, and the wind at the target has the least influence to a wind solution. You’re much better off understanding the fluid dynamics of the terrain you are shooting in and combing them with your knowledge of mirage. Mirage is not “autocorrecting.” it’s not telling you angle or the distance of that gust the way you are describing it. Not in an accurate way to the mph. You or a spotter can pan the spotting scope until you reach a boil and that will be the no value point of the wind, and the direction offset direction of the spotting scope relative to the target will be your cosine angle. If you’re watching the waves turn into a boil at the 1030 (.707) at 1200y from your position, and you know the wind is 8 mph high gust with 7mph average coming from your o'clock (.866) at your position because you have a kestrel…what is your down range winds high gust if you’re gun shoots .5 mil per 6 mph before bc degradation? No, a hunter doesn’t need to do all this, or have this level of understanding, of wind. I realize it’s a headache but I want you to realize that you’re not convincing me of anything. I know how to shoot in wind. The answer is roughly 6.5 mph at 1200y using non auto correcting mirage and the kestrel. Average that out with 8mph if you are shooting in the gust, plus add .2 for BC degradation and plus .1 mrad for spin. You have a solution. The limitation of this word problem is real world conditions but the process is the same. [/QUOTE]
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