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<blockquote data-quote="midnightmalloy" data-source="post: 550724" data-attributes="member: 25605"><p>well a 7wsm can push a 168 gr vld to an honest 2950 fps and the 168 vld has a higher bc than even the 140 gr 6.5 vld from berger. so your talking an HONEST 200 fps more than what a creedmore can push a 140 and better wind drift and much more energy out there when honestly comparing the two cartriges. play with a ballistics calculator like at G7 with these two and you will see what I mean. also if you used a backpack like the eberlestocks with the back scabbard then you wont even notice the length so a folder isnt needed. unless you fork out some big dough for a top of the line folder then im pertty sceptical that theyre as solid as a fixed mcmillan or the like. I have a mcmillan A3 sporter with the "edge"package that weighs 30 oz with studs and a recoil pad. solid for long range but light for packing. if you mated this with a 26" carbon wrapped barrel then you are talking a 7lb gun without scope and it would have all the dimensions of a classic long range rig and the accuracy needed to do the job. then you could put a vortex pst 6-24 on for another 23 oz and your set. its just a lot more money for the 2 less pounds and i like to shoot the midweight sporters (9-11lbs.) I honestly cant even tell the differance between a 7 and 9lb rifle when its in the eberlestock and the heavier gun is MUCH EASIER to shoot. Im no expert but i have researched this topic for a while. to actually go legitamate "light weight and long range" i feel you need some dough and i feel that the 2lbs is easier to shed in other things for much less. like your camping gear, spotting scope, binos etc. for example you will shed 1lb on a super high end sleeping bag and it will cost you $200 more than the other, a super light tent and sleeping pad will easily shed another 2 lbs for maybe $300-400. so for another $500 you will shed that weight that would cost you $2000 to do on your rifle and make it more difficult to shoot. Just one guys thoughts thats all.</p><p> </p><p>oh and i think the eberlestock folder is around $1200...thats the cost for a cnc machined all alluminum folder! is it worth it? if you want that then yes, but each person is there judge of price.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="midnightmalloy, post: 550724, member: 25605"] well a 7wsm can push a 168 gr vld to an honest 2950 fps and the 168 vld has a higher bc than even the 140 gr 6.5 vld from berger. so your talking an HONEST 200 fps more than what a creedmore can push a 140 and better wind drift and much more energy out there when honestly comparing the two cartriges. play with a ballistics calculator like at G7 with these two and you will see what I mean. also if you used a backpack like the eberlestocks with the back scabbard then you wont even notice the length so a folder isnt needed. unless you fork out some big dough for a top of the line folder then im pertty sceptical that theyre as solid as a fixed mcmillan or the like. I have a mcmillan A3 sporter with the "edge"package that weighs 30 oz with studs and a recoil pad. solid for long range but light for packing. if you mated this with a 26" carbon wrapped barrel then you are talking a 7lb gun without scope and it would have all the dimensions of a classic long range rig and the accuracy needed to do the job. then you could put a vortex pst 6-24 on for another 23 oz and your set. its just a lot more money for the 2 less pounds and i like to shoot the midweight sporters (9-11lbs.) I honestly cant even tell the differance between a 7 and 9lb rifle when its in the eberlestock and the heavier gun is MUCH EASIER to shoot. Im no expert but i have researched this topic for a while. to actually go legitamate "light weight and long range" i feel you need some dough and i feel that the 2lbs is easier to shed in other things for much less. like your camping gear, spotting scope, binos etc. for example you will shed 1lb on a super high end sleeping bag and it will cost you $200 more than the other, a super light tent and sleeping pad will easily shed another 2 lbs for maybe $300-400. so for another $500 you will shed that weight that would cost you $2000 to do on your rifle and make it more difficult to shoot. Just one guys thoughts thats all. oh and i think the eberlestock folder is around $1200...thats the cost for a cnc machined all alluminum folder! is it worth it? if you want that then yes, but each person is there judge of price. [/QUOTE]
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