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7mm 195 berger
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<blockquote data-quote="AZShooter" data-source="post: 712274" data-attributes="member: 5219"><p>Bigd7378,</p><p></p><p>Regarding your getting a Lilja. I see Dan only carries a 3 groove 1 in 7 and 1 in 8. Nothing in 1 in 8.5. </p><p></p><p>I built a 7 Rem Mag a few years ago at the same time my friend built a 7 STW to be used for LR hunting not competition. Both of us intended to shoot the 180 VLD. We talked to Dan Lilja and he said the 1 in 7 3 groove was THE barrel to use for our purposes. We both ordered 30" barrels. </p><p></p><p>My friend's barrel begain to unraveled the 180 VLD hunting bullets around round count 175. My barrel did the same with a slightly higher round of 225 count during a coues deer hunt! I didn't hit the deer as intended and had to use another rifle to finish it off. </p><p></p><p>I was advised here NOT to get a 3 groove because once the throat wears some they will chew up bullets. Asked Dan Lilja about it and he said they have not seen a problem. Later when both of our barrels destroyed the occasional bullet I again talked to Dan and he danced around the issue. </p><p></p><p> I talked to Bryan Litz regarding this problem and he suggested I try the 180 target VLDs as they are thicker in the bearing surface. They shot for a while then they began to unravel too. It wouldn't be every shot but maybe 1 in 8 which is plenty to ruin any confidence. Bryan also suggested moly. Tried that with the 180 target VLDs which helped for a while then they also came apart. Finally went to a 140 accubond as they shot better than the 160s but talk about a drop in BC.</p><p></p><p> I was very disgusted with the 1 in 7 3 groove and should have listened to others here. Lesson learned. </p><p></p><p>I just wanted to share this information with you before you buy a 3 groove with such a fast twist. I figure the 1 in 8 3 groove will also cause issues but perhaps at a higher round count.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="AZShooter, post: 712274, member: 5219"] Bigd7378, Regarding your getting a Lilja. I see Dan only carries a 3 groove 1 in 7 and 1 in 8. Nothing in 1 in 8.5. I built a 7 Rem Mag a few years ago at the same time my friend built a 7 STW to be used for LR hunting not competition. Both of us intended to shoot the 180 VLD. We talked to Dan Lilja and he said the 1 in 7 3 groove was THE barrel to use for our purposes. We both ordered 30" barrels. My friend's barrel begain to unraveled the 180 VLD hunting bullets around round count 175. My barrel did the same with a slightly higher round of 225 count during a coues deer hunt! I didn't hit the deer as intended and had to use another rifle to finish it off. I was advised here NOT to get a 3 groove because once the throat wears some they will chew up bullets. Asked Dan Lilja about it and he said they have not seen a problem. Later when both of our barrels destroyed the occasional bullet I again talked to Dan and he danced around the issue. I talked to Bryan Litz regarding this problem and he suggested I try the 180 target VLDs as they are thicker in the bearing surface. They shot for a while then they began to unravel too. It wouldn't be every shot but maybe 1 in 8 which is plenty to ruin any confidence. Bryan also suggested moly. Tried that with the 180 target VLDs which helped for a while then they also came apart. Finally went to a 140 accubond as they shot better than the 160s but talk about a drop in BC. I was very disgusted with the 1 in 7 3 groove and should have listened to others here. Lesson learned. I just wanted to share this information with you before you buy a 3 groove with such a fast twist. I figure the 1 in 8 3 groove will also cause issues but perhaps at a higher round count. [/QUOTE]
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