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Alaskan Game
6.5 140 Partition on Griz.
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<blockquote data-quote="Thebear_78" data-source="post: 2883201" data-attributes="member: 1545"><p>Where did the 12ga get this magical reputation as a good backup gun? I would take a 6.5CM any day of the week over a shotgun. I blame fishermen. It's always fishermen you see carrying a shotgun. I don't know a single hunting guide that carry's a shotgun. Without exception it's a rifle, usually 338-375 or 45/70. It's my guess that a shotgun "for bears" is really just a security blanket for fishermen. </p><p></p><p>Several years ago a buddy of mine had a relative come up to moose camp. He brought along a 12ga loaded with foster style slugs and 00 buck. 3 slugs, 2 buckshot loaded in the gun. We had a nuisance young griz that had been in to camp a few times, chased out without incident twice. One morning while this guy was making breakfast it came back in and he unloaded this 12ga on it to minimal effect. We had to track it down and shoot it twice more with a 30/06 and once with a 375. This wasn't by any stretch a big bear, maybe 220-240 pounds. None of the slugs made it in past the shoulders and only a couple buckshot made it thru to the vitals and did very little damage. I doubt the 375 shot was necessary but after we found it still alive we didn't take any chances. </p><p></p><p>Forward to a few years later another buddy shot a significantly bigger griz across the fire pit with 150gr out of a 7mm rem mag. One and done, complete penetration and a very dead bear.</p><p></p><p>Shotguns are great for bunnies, burglars, and birds but a poor choice for bears. If you MUST use a shotgun a hard cast slug like a brenneke black magic or one of the sabot slugs in a rifled barrel would be my choice, but a hunting rifle loaded with a good bullet in any reasonable hunting cartridge 6.5, 308, 270, 30/06 on up to your bigger magnums are a much better choice.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Thebear_78, post: 2883201, member: 1545"] Where did the 12ga get this magical reputation as a good backup gun? I would take a 6.5CM any day of the week over a shotgun. I blame fishermen. It’s always fishermen you see carrying a shotgun. I don’t know a single hunting guide that carry’s a shotgun. Without exception it’s a rifle, usually 338-375 or 45/70. It’s my guess that a shotgun “for bears” is really just a security blanket for fishermen. Several years ago a buddy of mine had a relative come up to moose camp. He brought along a 12ga loaded with foster style slugs and 00 buck. 3 slugs, 2 buckshot loaded in the gun. We had a nuisance young griz that had been in to camp a few times, chased out without incident twice. One morning while this guy was making breakfast it came back in and he unloaded this 12ga on it to minimal effect. We had to track it down and shoot it twice more with a 30/06 and once with a 375. This wasn’t by any stretch a big bear, maybe 220-240 pounds. None of the slugs made it in past the shoulders and only a couple buckshot made it thru to the vitals and did very little damage. I doubt the 375 shot was necessary but after we found it still alive we didn’t take any chances. Forward to a few years later another buddy shot a significantly bigger griz across the fire pit with 150gr out of a 7mm rem mag. One and done, complete penetration and a very dead bear. Shotguns are great for bunnies, burglars, and birds but a poor choice for bears. If you MUST use a shotgun a hard cast slug like a brenneke black magic or one of the sabot slugs in a rifled barrel would be my choice, but a hunting rifle loaded with a good bullet in any reasonable hunting cartridge 6.5, 308, 270, 30/06 on up to your bigger magnums are a much better choice. [/QUOTE]
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